Goex FFFg 45lc load

[45 Dragoon]

Dang!!! I hate I've  missed this thread!!  I wanna know when the bacon gets involved!! THEN, ya got my attention!!!!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com

(Breakfast is one ah my favs!!!!)

[wildman1]

Saturday one of the other BP shooters asked me if I used COW fer filler. I told him nope. He said dang I could swear I smelled it when you were shootin. I told him grits.    wM1

[wildman1]

That's like pullin a IH swather with a John Deere tractor. wM1

[Good Troy]

Saturday one of the other BP shooters asked me if I used COW fer filler. I told him nope. He said dang I could swear I smelled it when you were shootin. I told him grits.    wM1

I'm considering loading some 45LC with grits for filler, and using bacon fat for lube....

[olered]

The Quaker Oats grits are cheaper than the WM brand. wM1

Cheap grits. Went to my local small town grocery last night to get some adult liquid refreshments and check around for grits. There it was in front of me, a box with a hole in it. I know the owner and asked if he would discount for the hole(I'm a frugal shopper). He tells me they cannot sell it once package is damaged. Rather than pitch it he told me to take it home. Even taped it up so no more would leak out. I get lucky some times. Going to start making some test loads after work today.

[Freedom]

I shoot a conversion Remington58 and I love to shoot the litte 160gr EPPUG biglube bullet out of it.

My load is 15gr or 2ff OldeEynsford topped with a 38special case full of CreamOWheat....this yields me 765fps at 15yrds it shoots tiny groups in paper and you can shoot a baby marshmallow off a block of wood without scratching the wood!

I have shot this load out to 200yards just playing and it still surprised the heck out of me...this shoots really good and matches the sights of my Rem.

FWIW a full load of 40gr behind the little 160gr hit 1205fps!!

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I'm considering loading some 45LC with grits for filler, and using bacon fat for lube....

Clean well! It's salty

[Jake C]

I've found 2.2 ccs of 2F Olde Enyseford under a 200 grain bullet is enjoyable to shoot. Enough recoil to feel it, not enough to be unpleasant, lots of smoke and fire, and that wonderful boom. BP sure is fun!

[PJ Hardtack]

Hey, Jake

How many grs of FFg is that? Do you get compression of the powder when seating the 200 gr bullet?

I've got two Uberti .45's and a Pietta Remington c/w 5 shot Kirst conversion in .45 Colt that I intend to put to use. Just won a bag of unfired brass on top of the stash I already have. Might go on an annealing binge over the winter.

[Jake C]

If I recall, it's about 36-38 grains by weight, if I recall. I made up my BP rounds a few months ago, and haven't done any since then, so don't hold me to that. I'll measure it for you tonight, give an accurate number. I do get audible compression with that load, so that is definitely the case.

[Blair]

Got a scale?
Then you don't have to recall/remember what it might have been.
Keeping notes also helps, if you can recall where those notes are kept.
Yep, here it comes... the slam over weight versus volume.
My best,
Blair

[Jake C]

Got a scale?
Then you don't have to recall/remember what it might have been.
Keeping notes also helps, if you can recall where those notes are kept.
Yep, here it comes... the slam over weight versus volume.
My best,
Blair

I do, I weigh my loads about 5-6 times throughout the session, I just totally forgot what it was. You're 100% right, I need to keep notes. Gonna start that ASAP.

I had heard that with 2F, weight = volume, more or less, is that true? Always meant to check it and just haven't done it.

[Dick Dastardly]

For a real treat give the Cowboy 45 Special brass a try with that lil EPP-UG bullet.  20 grains or 1.3cc, the same load works with 38 Spl, will give you lots of flames and smoke.  This makes a very accurate cartridge that shoots well out of 45 Colt chambers.

DD-MDA

[medic15al]

FWIW... I use 2.5cc Dipper and with Olde Eynsforde 3FG it measures at 40grns with my Black Powder measure from The Possibles Shop. The brass one that has a plunger. 2.2 gives between 35-36 grns. I use this load with a 250 grn bullet.

[Coffinmaker]

Weights and Measures ............ Ah ........ Um .......... Dunno.  Don't actually have a clue.  I can't successfully participate if we get into a
weight vs volume discussion.  Because ......... TA DA.  Don't have a clue.  Never ever had a reason to measure my "loads."  Here is
how it works. 
I measure from the crimp groove on the bullet, to it's base.  With a Starbucks stir stick.  I mark that with a pencil.  Then, I carefully adjust my powder measure until it throws that amount of propellant.  Notice ...... Propellant.  It doesn't matter one whit whether it's BP, or Sub, nor which sub.  I want the propellant just scootch more than the base of the bullet so I get just a scootch of compression.  BP.  Or, just to the base.  APP.  I really don't need to know exactly how much it is.  Or isn't.  Don't really care. 
The above is for suppositories, these days that's rifle only.  If ...... (not bloody likely mate) ..... I want to reduce the recoil for handguns, rather than filler, I use smaller cases.  I really like the Cowboy 45 Special.  If your of a mind to do that, you can make your own C45S from 45 Colt brass with a case trimmer.  I suggest one with the capability to hook up to a cordless drill motor.

For my Cap Guns, I am much more precise.  I get out the "stick" again, and mark the height of the ball then add 1/16 inch.  Want the ball below the mouth of the chamber for obvious reasons.  Ah, I hope obvious.  I then select a likely pistol case and epoxy up the primer pocket.  I use a case trimmer and trim the case back until it dips an amount of "propellant" that reaches the bottom of the ball seated to the proper depth.  I have an adjustment on my cylinder loader to give repeatable ball seating depth.

I suppose I could figure out how much "propellant" I'm using, but as long as it goes BANG, makes the target go KLANG and doesn't rip my hand of the end of my arm, I don't care.  With BP and Subs, it simply doesn't matter just "how much."  If it works, it's enough.

Now.  If we're gonna HUNT with the old Charcoal Burner, I'll bump the propellant load up.  Way up.

Now, what were we originally discussing anyway??  Is this "Thread Drift??"

Coffinmaker 

[Blair]

Just a suggestion...
If you weigh a bullet, how do you go about doing this?
Do you use a scale to weigh it? Or do you place that bullet into a CC cup to guestimate what it weighs?

Various powders from different manufactures weigh different amounts. The lots can even very somewhat from batch to batch.
If you have a scale, then why do you not weigh your powder charge too?
Just a thought on my part.
My best,
Blair

[PJ Hardtack]

I've never gotten used to the idea of cubic centimetres, even tho' officially we are a metric nation. Grain weight suits my needs just fine.
Since we need some compression for a clean burn, does it really matter? If a man speaks and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?

Questions like this keep me awake nights .....

[Professor Marvel]

Just for Informational and entertainment purposes, The reason BP was traditionally measured by volume is multi-fold :

first) during the era of actual muzzleloading,  scales were incredibly expensive vs inexpensive measuring cups or boring a hole in something soft like wood or horn, which then produced a "powder measure" .

2) when loading your firelock it is so much easier to carry and use a measure ( oft' attached to your powder horn), than to carry and use a scale .

C) during the era ( whichever it was) powder was  extremely hydro-scopic ( oft' worse if unglazed) and during dampish weather it would weigh more - but the volume remained the same!

GunPowder is still hydroscopic so many still measure gunpowder with a "powder measure"  (one of mine is screwed on the end of my Navy Powder Flask, with a little springy-thingy ). Since I do not deal with long range stuff it works well for me.

If you are measuring by weight ( or mass if you are using a balance scale) then all bets are off as I am not in any position (nor have I any interest or inclination)  to measure the differences in weight ( or mass) of identical amounts of Gunpowder under controlled variations in humidity.

However I expect that those who do scientifical measurement for long range BP cartridge shooting have an interest and  may chime in...

yhs
prof marvel

[Ranch 13]

Historically gunpowder charges have always been expressed in grains or drams weight.
Volume measure is something brought about by folks shooting powder with fake smoke added.
Check stupid things like the Winchester and Remington Catalogs from the 1870's powder charges are always in grains. Military manuals express powder charges in grains..
Charts were available to convert apothecaries to grains or drams in the late 1800's.

[Professor Marvel]

Historically gunpowder charges have always been expressed in grains or drams weight.
Volume measure is something brought about by folks shooting powder with fake smoke added.
Check stupid things like the Winchester and Remington Catalogs from the 1870's powder charges are always in grains. Military manuals express powder charges in grains..
Charts were available to convert apothecaries to grains or drams in the late 1800's.

Hurrah for Ranch13 !

Various powders from different manufactures weigh different amounts. The lots can even very somewhat from batch to batch.

Oh-oh, Blair, now you are frightening me... does that hold true for smokeyless too?
But weight! I now have an excuse to go buy one of these newly fangled powder testers!



and notes! Yes! I must keep better notes!
And make a note of where I keep them!

I will make a note of that.

yhs
prof ( madly taking notes) marvel