Uberti and Pietta conversions

[griswold]

I think I remember reading the answer to my question below on this forum but can not find it now.

With both current manufacturers, Uberti and Pietta, the .38 51 Navies and 38 cal. Army conversions specifically.......are these on beefed up frames like the .44's and .45 factory conversions or are they the original size frames?

Griswold..........

[Major 2]

If I understand your question

you are  speaking of the factory conversion ?   Pietta does not make a "factory " conversion

Uberti does , The Richards Type II & the Richards & Mason and yes they are beefed.

There a few smiths doing conversions on both Pietta & Uberti's C&B

I have Type 1 Richards by Kenny Howell  on Colt 2 Gen. frame (Uberti)

I also have a Pietta London 61 frame with a Kirst gated conversion on (EDIT) by Gary Barnes...

BTW your G Grand Dad might have enjoyed seeing this Griswold  & Gunnison

[griswold]

Thanks, for all I know, he carried it ha ha ha............

The man with no name is a beefed up frame as well?

[Abilene]

I'm not positive that the '51 Richards-Mason is any larger than original.  If someone can give me the cylinder diameter of an original Navy, I can compare it to my conversion.  I say that because that model is only available in .38, as were originals.  The other conversions based on the '60 frame were made slightly larger to allow .44's other than the smaller-rimmed .44 Colt, plus .45's to be chambered.

As for the MWNN, that uses the frame from the '72-72 Opentop.  I don't know whether or not the OT is scaled up from originals.

[SimmerinLightning]

I have a MwNN and an Uberti 1851. Without actually miking them, just a visual comparison, they appear to be dimensionally identical except for the MwNN cylinder, which is noticeably greater in diameter, and the recoil shield, which has been cut back slightly to accomodate a longer cylinder on the navy. The frames, in the area of the locking pawl, *seem to be the same as well*: the MwNN cylinder will not go on the navy frame, and if the navy cylinder is placed on the MwNN frame the gap underneath is larger than when the guns are assembled properly.
Again, I took no actual measurements, just eyeballing and swapping aprats.

*Just sitting here analyzing what I wrote, and I obviously reached the wrong conclusion re: the frame on the MwNN definitely WAS opened up to accomodate the diametrically-enhanced cylinder.

[Coffinmaker]

I would like to consolidate the fe ........... anyway .......
Pietta doesn't make a Conversion Anything.  (Sob, snivel snivel)
Uberti '51s and '51 conversions are built on frames and cylinders "almost" identical to the original sample example.
The MWNN is not built on a '51 frame.  It's built on the Open Top frame
The Uberti Open Top frame is a bit larger than a '51 frame as was the original sample example.
The Uberti Open Top Cylinder is bigger than a original Open Top.  The original Open Top would NOT support .45 Colt, nor .45 Schofield.
the Uberti Open Top will.
The Uberti Richards type II and the Richards Mason Conversions are larger than the original sample example to accommodate .45 Colt and .45 Schofield.  Which, I think they should NOT be chambered for.  Chamber walls are still too thin.

Coffinmaker

[45 Dragoon]

It does make a right nice package though. I just "fixed" one for a GA neighbor and it kinda made me wish my 5 shot Kirst was  his and his . . . . well  . . . . whatever!!  He licked it so much he handed me a Schofield to do!!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com

[Ike Kant]

8/10/15  Post deleted by Ike Kant due to inappropriate content.

Griswold and Major2:  Please accept my humble apology for getting off topic.  

[45 Dragoon]

Mine too for the same reason!!
Thanks Ike!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com

[Major 2]

Ike & Mike

Please take your Business &  personal dealings to Email or PM...

Open forum is not the venue  Thank you the  Management   

[45 Dragoon]

More of the same! Lol !
Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com

[griswold]

Not a problem...........this is the reason I was asking about the size of the guns.......In my next book I am thinking the main character's wife will present him with two 5.5 inch barreled 1861 Navys converted......I am considering actually obtaining one in real life, but none of the replica's have that ships bow barrel lug on their pistol offers....so I guess I'd have to have it done. But I do not want a over size gun, just the original size........even considering remodeling a VTI replacement barrel to that style the way Wolf in Europe did his mystery .44.

What say y'all?

Griswold.

[SimmerinLightning]

Never mind, PM sent instead.

[Abilene]

Griswold, you mean like this one: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7709927 ?

Well, you just might be in luck.  Here's the deal.  We all know that Pietta makes assorted guns that never were, like .44 Navies and such, well so does Uberti.  Obviously in caliber offerings, but also in style in some cases.  Enter the 1860 conversions.  Both the 1860 Richards-Mason and the Type II Richards are available in .45, .44 and .38.  But in the case of the .38, the frame is not stepped and the cylinder is not rebated. It is, in fact, the same frame and cylinder as their '51 Richards-Mason.  1860 barrel and grips, but the middle of the gun is '51.  Which of course means it is the same as a '61, and the '60 barrel is already like the '61.  The pictures on Cimarron's website, unfortunately, are not correct for these models.  They show the same frame and cylinder on the .38 as the .44.

THEREFORE, if you get an 1860 Type II in .38, all you have to do is change the grip to Navy and you have a '61 Navy conversion!  It will have the short ejector housing, that's the only difference I can think of.  In fact, this is a gun on my wish list.  It would be fun to have a conversion no one else has just because they haven't thought of it     I want mine in the longer barrel, which is one more slight difference in that the Type II barrels are 8" and original '61's would be 7 1/2". I can live with that, too     But since you are wanting it in 5 1/2", they are available in that length.  FYI, the model number of that one is CA9063.

[griswold]

SimmerinLightning, didn't receive any PM...........Gris,


Abilene, thanks for the heads up.......modifying the barrel lug on that model would be a heck of a lot easier and cheaper than all the other things I was planning to do.............again, thanks

Griswold

[Abilene]

I'm not sure that there is any modifying to do.  This is the Type II I'm talking about, with the percussion style barrel, not the Richards-Mason.

[Hoof Hearted]

If I understand your question

you are  speaking of the factory conversion ?   Pietta does not make a "factory " conversion

Uberti does , The Richards Type II & the Richards & Mason and yes they are beefed.

There a few smiths doing conversions on both Pietta & Uberti's C&B

I have Type 1 Richards by Kenny Howell  on Colt 2 Gen. frame (Uberti)

I also have a Pietta London 61 frame with a Kirst gated conversion on (EDIT) by Gary Barnes ...

BTW your G Grand Dad might have enjoyed seeing this Griswold  & Gunnison

Dang....................missed another plug for my work!

[Major 2]

Quote from: Major 2 on August 08, 2015, 02:24:28 pm
If I understand your question

you are  speaking of the factory conversion ?   Pietta does not make a "factory " conversion

Uberti does , The Richards Type II & the Richards & Mason and yes they are beefed.

There a few smiths doing conversions on both Pietta & Uberti's C&B

I have Type 1 Richards by Kenny Howell  on Colt 2 Gen. frame (Uberti)

I also a have Pietta London 61 frame with a Kirst gated conversion on (EDIT) by Gary Barnes ...

BTW your G Grand Dad might have enjoyed seeing this Griswold  & Gunnison

Dang....................missed another plug for my work!

indeed ...My bad

May I point out here as I had elsewhere , the Pietta London 61 frame with a Kirst gated conversion
was a commission project gun for me by Gary.

It may be viewed on his website....

[Hoof Hearted]

indeed ...My bad

May I point out here as I had elsewhere , the Pietta London 61 frame with a Kirst gated conversion
was a commission project gun for me by Gary.

It may be viewed on his website....

Ahhhh..............there's the LOVE