EPP-UG .36 UPDATED - UPDATE 2

[Coffinmaker]

Curious are I.

I'm familiar with DD Dastardly's EPP-UG .45 bullet.  Is anyone using the EPP-UG .36??  Anybody know of anyone commercially casting it??
Anybody wanna comment on how well it shoots/loads??  Accuracy??

Coffinmaker

UPDATE # 1
I was able  to obtain a small pile of EPP UG 36.  Funny lookin Li'l doodads.  Shot em today in a match.  The examples I was able to obtain are/were "as cast" and unlube'd.  As I shoot APP, bullet lube is unnecessary.  They dropped out of the mould at about .380 and weighed on average 88Gr.  Prior to the match, I loaded a few "dry-ball" and found it helped greatly if the chamber mouth had a slight chamfer or bevel to aid in aligning the first driving band and to help the bullet stay aligned when ramming.  One must also exercise some care to keep the Li'l sucker square up on the chamber as you ram.  
I also load "off the gun" with cylinder loader aka:  Dirty Dick Dastardly "Tower of Power" (shameless plug).  After a little practice, a clean ram was easy.  I did not change my powder charge, so the BANG was a bit louder than round ball and felt recoil was a bit more.  Not much, as there is only about 10Gr difference it weight.
Accuracy.  I dunno.  I didn't shoot em on paper.  Was shooting Pietta, 1861 replica, .36 with 3 1/4 inch barrels.  Hit all the targets with my pistols (wish I had with the rifle).

My conclusion.  There OK.  I like em.  In general, I prefer .44s over .36s but these will certainly do just fine.  I'm going to try and get out to the range with my ubiquitous Pizza Boxes and see how they actually group ...... or not

Stay Tuna

UPDATE # 2
SECOND match with the EPP UG-36.  Was suppose to shoot a Three Day this weekend.  Froze out (tother story).  However, I did manage to shoot the Planesman Side Match with my even newer semi-untouched by human hands not yet fired at anything, almost Brandy new Pietta 1862 New York Metropolitan Police.  Slightly modified. 
Results were stunning.  Shot the entire match with EPP UP-36 bullets.  I did switch to 2F APP, Rem # 10 Caps.  Even with the EPP UG-36 being about 10Gr heavier than round Ball, recoil was eventually ...... zero.  Accuracy was smack dab in the middle of the targets.  Little hummer hit the targets with enough authority to give a nice positive KLANG.  Super happy were I.
Still have not made to to the range with the Pizza Boxes to actually shoot some groups.  My shooting season is now eventually over.  It's too cold.  Plus, the EPP UG-36 does everything I want it to.  As long as it hits the target, thumps the target in a manly manner, I don't really care how it "groups." 

Coffinmaker  

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

My Sun&Air shoots in England with The Pickett's Hill Marshals, the club that PUK & Ned PepperGB frequent. I sent him one of DD's 6-holers in .36 EPP-UG. I asked for his report and he replies as follows;

"Accuracy as one would expect out of a Pietta Remi 1858 with 5 1/2" tubes. Fairly light so good for close steels. Might be too light for knock-downs. Load REALLY easy, so great if competition has limited load times or if you have sausage fingers."

[Dick Dastardly]

Just like the big brother, the EPP-UG, the 36cal EPP-36 has two fragile lube groves that hold a LOT of lube captive between them.  It too has a rebated heal for sitting straight and proud on the chamber face for easy seating.  Rotten Redeye Randy and several others are reporting great results with this bullet.

The EPP-36 emulates the 36cal round ball in weight and performance characteristics.  Since the lube is held captive between the driving bands there is no need for any other lube smears, wads of other adjuncts.  Continuous shooting without diminishing accuracy or function are the hallmarks of Big Lube®LLC bullets.

DD-MDA

[Navy Six]

Coffinmaker, I printed this here last summer:
just conducted a two day test with a Uberti 51 Navy .36 with regards to knock targets and thought it may be of some interest.
The target:
standing plate rack, 6 round steel plates about 7/16" thick and about 7" diameter(forgot to get exact measurement here)
The gun:
New Uberti 51 Navy, .36, 5" barrel, arbor length adjusted to bottom out with 5mm washer, .006 barrel gap, Slix Shot nipples, hammer safety notch filled with JB weld and hammer face filed/stoned to no contact with nipple, rear sight opened up to .090 with square diamond file
The loads:
18 gr. FFF Goex, DD's EPP-UG-36 sized .375, lube--Beeswax/Mutton Tallow/ Parraffin Wax equal parts/weight
18 gr. FFF Goex, .375 round ball, wool felt wads soaked in above lube
All loads were assembled using DD's Tower Of Power Loading Stand. Over the course of two days(the two sessions were separated by one week) 100 rounds were fired, 50 each day, evenly mixing the two loads. There were no mis-fires and Remington #10 caps were used. The results:

ROUND BALL LOAD--8 yds
36 shots, all hits, 34 went down *I will comment on the two that didn't go down later
EPP-UG-36 LOAD--8 yds
36 shots, all hits, 36 knock downs
My observations/impressions:
I used 18 grs. FFF goex because 20 grs. was a little too tight a fit and I had to lay into the loader a bit too much for my tastes. However, you could hear and feel the difference with the 20 gr. load. The round ball loads knocked the plates down, but not with authority. The two that didn't go down sounded like weak reports when fired. I was using a flask and think the powder might have bridged a bit in the spout due to my sticky fingers, making those two under powdered. After that mishap, when using the flask and spout I placed a paper towel between my finger and spout mouth and I encountered no further weak sounding reports. The EPP-UG-36 loads knocked the plates down with much more authority. They sounded louder and had more felt recoil. Also, they were quicker to load as no wad was needed. Encouraged by these results, I put the EPP-UG-36 loads on paper at the same 8 yd distance. Five shots gave a nice point of aim group 1 1/4 X 1 1/2"  with a 6th called flyer 2 1/2" right. While not an exhaustive test, I was satisfied there appears to some advantage to using the EPP-UG-36 bullet if knockdown targets are a concern when shooting a 51 Navy.  Just to note, this test was conducted with a 5" barrell lenght and I would suspect the more prevalent 7 1/2" would give slightly better results with the round ball load.

[Coffinmaker]

Thanks Navy Six.  Very interesting.

Now to find someone commercially casting it.

Coffinmaker

[Lefty Dude]

How do Y'all lube the EPP-UG .36 ? pan lube I presume.  What is the mold drop dimension ?

I would also like to try this projectile in my 51 Navies .

[Coffinmaker]

Hey Lefty!!

My '51 Navys are .44s 

Coffinmaker

[Navy Six]

Lefty, I use a Lyman 450 and treat the EPP-UG.36 as any other bullet. You just have to adjust the sizer a bit due to its short length. I didn't measure them when first dropped from the mold--they are supposed to be .382-- as I was planning to size them at .375. When running them through at that size, you could feel a fair amount of resistance so I know there was a bit more "meat on the bone".

[Lefty Dude]

Lefty, I use a Lyman 450 and treat the EPP-UG.36 as any other bullet. You just have to adjust the sizer a bit due to its short length. I didn't measure them when first dropped from the mold--they are supposed to be .382-- as I was planning to size them at .375. When running them through at that size, you could feel a fair amount of resistance so I know there was a bit more "meat on the bone".

Thanks for the reply. I know DD's info states the mold is .380" however as we know alloy varies some unless you use dead soft lead. I try and get pure lead however I also cast round balls with the stick-on wheel weights and they are not dead soft, just softer than  clip on weights. I have a Lyman 450 also, so sizing is no problem in that regard.

[Bruce W Sims]

Thanks for the reply. I know DD's info states the mold is .380" however as we know alloy varies some unless you use dead soft lead. I try and get pure lead however I also cast round balls with the stick-on wheel weights and they are not dead soft, just softer than  clip on weights. I have a Lyman 450 also, so sizing is no problem in that regard.

Thanks, Lefty:

You just taught me something. Down the road I'd like to get a Lyman set-up to cast my own. I was going to try the wheel-weights
everyone talks about but did not know of a difference between the two kinds of weights. I also am not familiar with "dead soft". Is
there that much difference from wheel-weights? Is it the same as Plumber's Lead? Much impact on performance?

Best Wishes,

Bruce

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Bruce;  Try here, in THE DARK ARTS. Much can be learned, and look around for much more knowledge;

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,23298.0.html

And, see the link posted by Goatlips to the cast boolet society.

[Lefty Dude]

Buy the Lyman "Cast Bullet Handbook". There is a wealth of information in this book.

I am no expert, best read all you can on the subject.

My reference to Dead Soft, also means Pure Lead without alloys or impurities.

[Bruce W Sims]

Excellent!! Great Resources!!Very much appreciated!

Best Wishes,

Bruce

[Dick Dastardly]

Our now departed friend and pardner, El Paso Pete designed the EPP-UG as a joke.  EPP stands for El Paso Pete.  The UG stands for Ultra Gamer.  He designed the bullet to jerk the chain of a PC NCOWS dude that kept trolling his posts.  Well, so happens, not is El Paso Pete not only a great Cowboy Action shooter.  He's also a fine engineer.  The EPP-UG did all he wanted it to and I added the flat nose.  In 45 Caliber rifles it shoots like a dream.  But, the real kicker is the little brother, the EPP-36.  It is a shrunk down EPP-UG that performs awesomely well in 36 Cal C&B guns.  Here's another point to ponder.  I loaded some EPP-36 bullets up in 38-55 rifle ammo for plinkers.  Inside of 100 yards they will shoot the eye out of rabbits.

Please let me know what you discover about these cool little projectiles that emulate round balls but perform like conicals.

DD-MDA

[Montana Slim]

   I doubt my chain was jerked too hard....since I only became aware of the apparent tug a few seconds ago.


Slim

[Coffinmaker]

Thanks to all for the great responses and information.  I'm not permitted to "cook lead" anymore.  Doctors orders and my darling bride just wouldn't allow it. So I need to find a commercial caster who can/will cast em up.  So far my search has come up gunny baggers so the search must continue.  Or...... I'll just skip the Ugly 36 and continue with li'l round balls (which work just fine anyway).

Coffinmaker

[Coffinmaker]

Well ....... POOP guys.
Been digging, but still no commercial caster of the the EPP UG-36

BALLS said the queen, for she had none ......
Had I but two I'd be King
Wouldn't that be FUN!

Coffinmaker

[olered]

I get my 45's and 44's Big Lubes from Mark at whyte Leather. You might try him.

[Blackpowder Burn]

Yep, I've found that Mark casts bullets that aren't shown on his website (i.e., 32-20's), so I'd ask him rather than pass on it just because the website doesn't list it.

[Dick Dastardly]

I don't sell bullets.  I sell the tools that make bullets.  It would be unfair for me to sell Big Lube®LLC bullets in competition with my customers that cast them.

I do, however, sell bullet samplers that can be populated with any of the Big Lube®LLC bullets.  A coupon accompanies the sampler good for the sampler price off of the mold price if the mold is purchased within 90 days of the sampler.

Since I do the casting for myself and several of my shooting pardners, I get all the "pot time" I care to.  Casting bullets for sale is a lot of work for not much gain.  Casting for yourself is a big savings in the long run.

DD-MDA