Anyone have a picture and/or dimensions of a Spencer or Henry Ammo Crate?

[PvtGreg]

Much obliged.

PvtGreg

[Two Flints]

Is this what you're looking for

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,13087.0.html

Two Flints

[Two Flints]

. . . or maybe this one

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,13089.msg579150.html#msg579150

[PvtGreg]

Perfect - I should have searched.  Thanks Two Flints

[Strongbow]

Perfect - I should have searched.  Thanks Two Flints

If you make a replica, post the deets. I'd consider making one as well.  I bought a nicely made replica cartridge crate for my Martini-Henry, and it's made a wonderful accent to my "Martini Corner."

[PvtGreg]

Ok here are my efforts to date.

Pics 1 & 2 - Ammo crate.  16.5in by 12in by 9in.  All hand sawn and plained.  This is my fifth box - the first three were experiments that now hold most my reloading odds and ends.  4&5 will be my Spencer and Henry crates.  I'm still looking for good stencils.  Once I had the hang of it and had patterns it took me about 1.5 hours per box, not counting glue time.

Pic 1


Pic 2


Pics 3 to 6 - Spencer two rifle shipping crate.  Again hand sawn & plained, looking for stencils as well.  This one is not based on a design but my take of a couple of rifle shipping boxes I've seen.  I'm thinking of stenciling it something  like Spencer prototypes AoC c/o Col. J Wilder - or something like that.

Pic 3


Pic 4


Pic 5


Pic 6


I'm looking for suggestions on finishing - I want it clear so I was thinking linseed oil or some such, but please if someone out there has a better idea please let me know.

Stencil suggestions would also be appreciated.

[Two Flints]

pvt Greg,

Nice work on the crates . . . but maybe too new looking.  If I were going to make a Spencer Rifle box I would use distressed wood and if the lettering looked a bit faded that's OK and part of the image I'd be trying to show.  But, you do terrific work just the same.  BTW, my Spencer Rifle ALSO has a distressed look about her

Just adding another link on shipping cases, maybe not posted before in this thread!

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,33557.0.html

Two Flints

[Blair]

US Army Ordinance requirements were that 20 arms were to be packed per crate with their appendages.
No less than 500 arms would received at one time per month. All of this would have been laid out at the time the contract was signed.

                                                                                 (Photo Posted by Two Flints)

This illustration is copied from the 1863 Confederate Manual, which was copied from the 1860 US manual.
I hope this info helps?
My best,
Blair  

[smittyc7]

I've made a couple ammo boxes for reenacting using the example I found here: http://www.charliesboatworks.com/

Great boxes and decent prices, mine are not dovetailed or exactly the same dimensions, but fairly close.  Mine have the following outside measurements:

20.75" long
11.25" wide
10.00" Height

The lid has a template to hold either rounds rolled for a Sharps or holds Spencer rounds.  Plenty of room in the box for all your rolling/filling needs.  I made the paper boxes from hanging file folders, and they hold 42 rounds of either the blanks from Veteran's Arms or the shotgun rounds.  If anyone wants a more indepth description of the box construction, let me know.

[Sean Thornton]

Greg send an email to Todd he has made both the shipping box as well as the cartridge box for the Henry rifles.

[Big Goose]

wow, those are awesome

[Blair]

PvtGreg & Big Goose,

You both have done very nice work on these Crates/Boxes.

Both Winchester and Spencer sold large numbers of arms on the commercial/private market. These arms would have been crated in the proper numbers to meet those sales. So, please do not misunderstand my posting regarding the Army Ord. Depot. requirements on crating and shipping of contracted firearms. Army contract were often let for thousands of firearms.

Basic paint called for "olive color" for most Military equipment.
Pigments for this were Lamp Black, Yellow Ocher, White Lead or sugar of lead (lead oxide), Boiled Linseed Oil and Turpentine. Vary any one these pigments much, and you can come up with a wide range of  shades of the color "olive".
I hope this information helps.
My best,
Blair

[PvtGreg]

Blair - no offense taken at all!

I was just doing something that looks period for camp reasons etc.  A crate would be better than steal gun case!

[Major 2]

Ok here are my efforts to date.

Pics 1 & 2 - Ammo crate.  16.5in by 12in by 9in.  All hand sawn and plained.  This is my fifth box - the first three were experiments that now hold most my reloading odds and ends.  4&5 will be my Spencer and Henry crates.  I'm still looking for good stencils.  Once I had the hang of it and had patterns it took me about 1.5 hours per box, not counting glue time.

Pic 1


Pic 2


Pics 3 to 6 - Spencer two rifle shipping crate.  Again hand sawn & plained, looking for stencils as well.  This one is not based on a design but my take of a couple of rifle shipping boxes I've seen.  I'm thinking of stenciling it something  like Spencer prototypes AoC c/o Col. J Wilder - or something like that.

Pic 3


Pic 4


Pic 5


Pic 6


I'm looking for suggestions on finishing - I want it clear so I was thinking linseed oil or some such, but please if someone out there has a better idea please let me know.

Stencil suggestions would also be appreciated.

I have a 1" stencil cutter at the shop.... tell me want what it to say,  and I'll cut you a set 

[PvtGreg]

Major 2 - you, sir, are my new favorite person.  I will take you up on your kind offer.

[Two Flints]

pvt greg,

Does this mean I've been bumped to second place

Two Flints

[Blair]

Two Flints,

Maybe?
Got a stencil cutter?
My best,
Blair

[Major 2]

write it out , and e- mail how you want it ...

sorry straight lines only , machine does not have arch capability

I can do A-Z  & 0-9  and ( . / ' - etc )

so if you want  Spencer prototypes AoC c/o Col. J Wilder  show me the configuration ( maybe some thing like )

SPENCER PROTOTYPES ( or RIFLES ) (CARBINES)
          CO. A
c/o COL. J. WILDER

and mailing address

[Two Flints]

Hello all,

This is currently on eBay . . . thought I'd post it . . .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Civil-WarUS-Spencer-Cartridge-Crate-Reproduction-made-in-USA-by-M-S-for-K-M-Co-/221642887084?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339af20fac

Two Flints

[PvtGreg]

Hi Major,

I'm thinking one stencil for the front of the case like this:

2
SPENCER'S
1860
PATENT
RIFLE

and

SPENCER REPEATING RIFLE COMPANY

and

ORD. DEPT AoC

I'll send my address in a personal email.

Many, many thanks