Just Paid 8 Cents a Percussion Cap ...

[john boy]

 ... Remington #11's and they have 40% more powder! Whoop de do !
Let's do some math:
* 1000 center fire cartridge primers - $31.99 for Remington LP
* 1000 percussion caps - $79.99, Remington #11's
Just might be time to put the C&B's away and go back to center fires

[Coffinmaker]

OK.  I'll bite ...........

WHERE DID YOU GET THE REMINGTONS??

Coffinmaker

[john boy]

The new Cabelas that just opened up in May.  Christiana Mall in Wilmington, DE  No Limit ... got a 1000

[jimbobborg]

Clark Brothers has them in stock.

[Navy Six]

John, just so you don't feel too bad, I found Remington 10's & 11's last year at $10.00 a tin. Won't mention the name of the place here but it was during that time you couldn't get caps for love or money. I understand supply & demand but i won't deal with a business that takes advantage like that. However, your point is well taken about the relative cost of caps and primers.

[rickk]

Does anyone remember when Dixie Gun Works sold their own brand of caps for something like $8/1000?

[Pettifogger]

Does anyone remember when Dixie Gun Works sold their own brand of caps for something like $8/1000?

That's 80 cents per tin.  I have been shooting C&B a LOT of years and can't remember caps that cheap.

[Dick Dastardly]

I have a tool that uses beer cans and roll cap gun caps to make percussion caps.  I've used it and made some reliable caps with it.  I'd part with the rig for a fair price.  Who knows, maybe this is what we are coming to. . .

DD-MDA

[john boy]

OK Gentlemen, some words about the Remington #11, straight from the package ...

NEW Hotter Caps

* 40% More Flame Volume (looks like a pregnant comet)
* Improved Ignition Performance under the Worst Weather Conditions
* Improved Cap Geometry for a Snugger Fit on the Nipple and More Reliable Feed When Using Remington or Other Cappers

Yo Navy Six - Catch the Works about Other Cappers 

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Remington new hotter percussion caps feature improved ignition with all powders designed for percussion guns.  They are non-corrosive and non-mercuric.  They were developed after testing in our Research laboratories and are rigidly controlled ... YADA YADA YADA!

So, had to find out about the YADA YADA YADA ... out with the digital calipers:

Last of my 2005 batch that I have:
Cap width - 0.1805
Cap length - 0.1490

The NEW Hotter Caps
Cap width - 0.1780 (guess that's the Snugger Fit)
Cap length - 0.1565 (With SlixSix nipples on a '51 Navy they do fit, Thank Goodness)

US Inflation Calculator Purchasing Power of Remington #11 Caps:
2005 - 100 caps = $2.25
Cumulative rate of Inflation to 2014 = $2.74 (21.8%)
Cabelas Purchase Price, July 2014, 100 caps = $7.99 (63.6% greater than 21.8%) 

And the only difference with the primer powder - it's a darker green in the 2014 caps than the 2005's
Anyway, have enough for 20 matches.  If the price doesn't come down - out with the NMA's and #10 caps or back to 45's in the work horse Rugers

[Coffinmaker]

Hey John Boy!!!
Thanks for the "heads up."  Called Cabelas in WV, set aside 3000 # 10s went and picked em up.  I wouldn't get my hopes up about prices coming down real soon.  Prices went thru the roof for primers couple years back and have stayed up.  I plan to stay with Cap Guns for the fore see able future so will just suck it up.

Coffinmaker

[Crow Choker]

I don't understand why the scarcity of Rem #10's.  I see CCI #10 and 11's at gun shows and in gun shops. Rem #11's are around. I and others have posted before about the lack of Rem #10's. I called Remington some time back about the lack of availability of #10's. They advised they are producing them and shipping to dealers. I advised them that the only ones that seemed to have them are the 'big box' outfits like Cabela's and that they were selling them at inflated rip off prices. My local gun store owner has advised me for almost two years all his sources can't get them. It's not like cap and ball shooters are a 'large slice of the pie' of American shooters. Either Remington is not producing them, they are and 'big box' outfits are gettin' them, and/or some reason not known to users of percussion caps is in the shadows.

Agree with Coffinmaker that primers "went through the roof" several years ago, but in my local, I can get them for $28-34 per 1000, close if not the same I was paying before the 2008 and 2012 price gouging. I think as I type this they may have been around $24 per 1000 before the first hoarder/rip off price debacle. Last time I was in a Cabela's I inquired about some Rem caps and the shop keep produced some and advised they were $60 some dollars. Told him Cabela's was 'rippin' off their customers and advised I don't buy from business's that are over pricing their products and left the store leaving the other items I had intended to buy laying on the counter.

Up to around 2010-2011 Rem #10's selling for $31 per 1000 in my area and were available to be had. I bought some CCI #11's not to long ago at a gun show and payed $38 for a 1000. They're ok, but like the Rem 10's better, have several 1000 on hand, so I'm not in a drought situation with them. The new Rem 11's that john boy posted about, well maybe they will prove to be a acceptable replacement for 10's. I'll have to check his measurements with Mako's previously posted #10 dimensions to see how they measure up(miss the Mako). Better punch out, but for me and my dollars, Cabela's and the rest of the ilk rippin off the American cap and ballers can "pound sand" as long as they're selling caps at a inflated the price. Said and done. Crow Choker   

[bushwhacker]

  OK I have a question?  I have a Uberti 61 Navy on the way.  What will be the best cap for it?  Also will the DD EPP-UG-36 work in the 61. Was wondering about the gap, if it was different then the 51?  Thanks Bushwhacker

[Pettifogger]

  OK I have a question?  I have a Uberti 61 Navy on the way.  What will be the best cap for it?  Also will the DD EPP-UG-36 work in the 61. Was wondering about the gap, if it was different then the 51?  Thanks Bushwhacker

First you have to fix the arbor length.  99.99% of Ubertis are incorrect from the factory.  Then throw the nipples away and go with the standard -- Treso nipples and Remington #10s.  The vast majority of hard core C&B shooters use this combo.  The Slix nipples are also starting to get a following.  Again, with the Remington #10 cap.  The 61 is just a 51 Navy with a round barrel.  Not sure what "gap" you are talking about, but it should be the same as a 51.

[Thumb Buster]

I just bought some Remington #11's here in the central Indian Territory for $2.99/100.  It might be me but they seem to hug the stock Pietta nipples better than CCI's.   

[Pettifogger]

I just bought some Remington #11's here in the central Indian Territory for $2.99/100.  It might be me but they seem to hug the stock Pietta nipples better than CCI's.   

Is that old stock or from a private seller?  Hate to be a doubting Thomas but dealer with fresh inventory has had Remington caps for $2.99 for a long time.  That is below dealer cost.

[Thumb Buster]

From a dealer.  How can one tell if it's old stock? 

[Pettifogger]

If it was in a large plastic blister pack it is new.  You use to be able to buy 1000 primers in a little tiny box because there were just ten tins in there.  The past few years Remington has put the cap tins in a blister pack so they can be hung on a hook on the retailer's shelves.  A 1000 now comes in a BIG box.

Old on left, new on right.  If you got the ones on the right for $2.99 run, do not walk, back there and buy all they have.

[wildman1]

A while back I bought several of those blister packs, a little over 4 thou primers for less than $1 per hundred. wM1

[john boy]

A while back I bought several of those blister packs, a little over 4 thou primers for less than $1 per hundred. wM1

WHERE?

[Pettifogger]

A while back I bought gasoline for 24 cents a gallon for premium.  So what.  Can't buy gasoline for that now and you can't buy Remington caps for a dollar a tin either.  We aren't talking about garage sales or twenty years ago.  We are talking about what you can buy caps for NOW.