Load Data for the 40/60

Slamfire · December 06, 2018, 05:22:27 PM

Hey Mike,, didg'a get the 40-60 bore cleaned yet ,, how'd it shoot ??

smoke'm if ya' got'm ,, Hootmix.

dusty texian · December 26, 2018, 03:55:47 PM

Today brought the 1876 Winchester 40-60 wcf out to the bench , I had 62 rounds loaded for at least two yrs . and thought I would fire them and see if that much time loaded had any ill effects on the home brew lube of deer tallow /bees wax and a touch of olive oil . Wind is Howling here in Texas today a front coming in from NM . so I had to limit the yardage to 75 yd. I gave the bore a wipe after every 20 rounds with the last string running 22 rounds . Could not tell any difference in accuracy High wind and all. The little 22" 40-60 is a shooter . No wonder it is one of my favorite hog stompers , when that thing cracks they drop like they were hit with an ax . Heading out to the loading bench now that the cases are dry . Will reload the 62 cases in preparation of our upcoming hunt .Good Shooting ,,,DT

Slamfire · December 26, 2018, 08:56:06 PM

I would rather shoot my 40-60 than eat when I'm hungry . Just finished loading 65 rds.( smokless ),,and it's raining ,, hard the next couple'a days. I see your 40-60 tool's are 2 pcs. mine is a 1 pc, w/ a screwed up bullet mould on the end,,but it does make really nice looking rds. I use a Lyman # 403168 ,, 205-208 gr..406 dia. ( as cast ) home lube,, case are trimmed to 1.885-1.887 ,, rds . come to OAL 2.235-2.240 . AS a side note I also deprime and prime my 44-40 cases w/ my 40-60 tool . Old tools are just COOL .
Have a Merry Christmas and a Great New Year.

coffee time ,, Hootmix.

dusty texian · December 27, 2018, 07:49:37 AM

The 40-82 wcf mold as cast drops @ .406 " and 255 gr. works great in the 40-60 wcf. Loaded 22 with this bullet and the other 40 cases with the 40-60 wcf bullet as cast @ .406" and weighing @ 210 gr. Upped the powder to 58 gr. 2ff Swiss , same lube mentioned before in a Jamison case and Winchester primer . You are right the old tong tools are great . What I use most unless I have a problem case to get a wrinkle out of or something else . How could you not like the 40-60 wcf , a very efficient cartridge , its a Cracker !,,,DT

King Medallion · December 27, 2018, 08:47:36 AM

A question if I may. 40-60, I see Dusty has Jamison brass. I looked at Starline and they have 40-65 brass. Is that the same dimensions that just needs to be shortened down a bit or something completely different? I also see that 40-60 are formed from 45-70. Just wondering.

As a side note, if anyone missed the other thread, I scored 100 NEW Jamison 45/75 cases! That should last me my lifetime. Happy New Year everyone.

Slamfire · January 09, 2019, 08:50:37 AM

Frussss-tration !!! when I get to many irons in my fire ,, the only way for me to sort things out is ,, yup ,, go shoot a few good or bad ,, come back better mood. Soo went the other day ,, wind was up 20-30mph,,50 yds,, 65rds. single load ,( like a sharps ) no wiping ,, heyyyy,, quick sight ,shoot ,,quick sight ,shoot,,( I don't need no stink'n magazine ) some even hit center,, BUT that wasn't the point ,,,just shoot. I totally " LOVE " my 40-60 ,,26.5 gn's. of H-4198 w/ 208 gn. cast @ .406-.408 ,,. I THINK the 40-60 has been under rated as far as power ,,there is plenty ,,. My loads were shot in a Chaparral x 26",, please consult your loading manual for original Winchester's ,, Now go shoot your " Frusss-tration ".

smoke'm if ya' got'm,, Hootmix.

LargoKC4440 · June 04, 2019, 12:32:24 PM

Glad to see this post.Picked up a 76 in 40/60 at Winterrange for the right price.Needs a lot of work but for the price I can put some into it

Largo

Slamfire · July 15, 2019, 11:35:29 PM

Largo,,, you won't be sorry,, what brand is your new " project ".

smoke'm if ya' got'm ,, Hootmix.

Slamfire · August 30, 2019, 09:33:45 AM

Hey, LargoKC4440 ,, how did your " 76 " project turn out

smoke'm if ya' got'm ,, Hootmix.

LargoKC4440 · September 17, 2019, 04:45:50 AM

Sorry Slamfire i've been gone for a while.
I got the lever straightened out, Dent worked out of the tube & some parts for it.The Gunsmith has it rite now to make sure the frame is ok. Will have to send it off to get it lined in the future.
Largo.

LargoKC4440 · September 17, 2019, 04:48:00 AM

Forgot ,It is an original 76.Can't find SN# on it though.
Largo

Slamfire · September 18, 2019, 06:20:16 PM

Origional !!!! that's cool. Sure need some pics.

smoke'm if ya' got'm ,, Hootmix.

Slamfire · March 27, 2020, 10:53:19 PM

YUP ! "Honey i'm home ",, I have been asking , looking , reading, if anyone has tried RL7 ( also known as Rx7 ) in their 40-60's,, no one ,, nada , zilch, read where it was used in the 40-65 and a few other bottle necks. I use H-4198 w/ 200-215gr. bullets ( 403168 .406 dia.) @ BHN 10-13 ,, ( pencil test ) and since both powders are full capacity powders ( in the 44-40wcf ), that is what I based my loads on.

I loaded 5 rds. starting 27grs, ( which is what I load normally for my 40-60 ) up 2grs. at a time to 28grs. ,, don't have a chrony. but nothing broke , exploded, & no bad looking primers, ( my chappie strikes off center ), no plum of smoke,, so I will be trying a few more as I get time,, but !! These are loads for me and my rifle ( YMMV ) , in a modern firearm w/ WWLRP. I didn't feel any difference in recoil , fired 1 rd. ( last rd. ) @ 300yds. ,12" bull, 6" above center

,,, time to go. I think the RL7 will be another usable powder.

coffee's ready ,, Hootmix.

dusty texian · April 07, 2020, 07:19:21 AM

Quote from: Slamfire on March 27, 2020, 10:53:19 PM
YUP ! "Honey i'm home ",, I have been asking , looking , reading, if anyone has tried RL7 ( also known as Rx7 ) in their 40-60's,, no one ,, nada , zilch, read where it was used in the 40-65 and a few other bottle necks. I use H-4198 w/ 200-215gr. bullets ( 403168 .406 dia.) @ BHN 10-13 ,, ( pencil test ) and since both powders are full capacity powders ( in the 44-40wcf ), that is what I based my loads on.

I loaded 5 rds. starting 27grs, ( which is what I load normally for my 40-60 ) up 2grs. at a time to 28grs. ,, don't have a chrony. but nothing broke , exploded, & no bad looking primers, ( my chappie strikes off center ), no plum of smoke,, so I will be trying a few more as I get time,, but !! These are loads for me and my rifle ( YMMV ) , in a modern firearm w/ WWLRP. I didn't feel any difference in recoil , fired 1 rd. ( last rd. ) @ 300yds. ,12" bull, 6" above center ,,, time to go. I think the RL7 will be another usable powder.

coffee's ready ,, Hootmix.

When you gonna start shooting Real GUNPOWDER in that thang ,lol ? ,,,DT

Slamfire · April 07, 2020, 08:15:33 AM

Haaaaaw,, I LOVE THIS PLACE !!!!!

coffee's ready ,,Hootmix.

Boone May · February 13, 2021, 11:14:50 AM

Just stumbled across Robertson Cartridge Company. They make correctly labeled .40-60 Winchester brass, along with a bunch of others. Pricey, but what isn't?

https://www.rccbrass.com/

KenH · February 26, 2021, 12:37:40 PM

Ouch - around $5/round is expensive. I'm sure it's good brass and they would make rim to fit your specs I'm sure. I ordered Jamison brass from https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23110 at $20 for 20 rounds, of course there's an extra $10 shipping. Now I mostly make my 40-60 brass from Starline 45-70 brass. While it doesn't have the correct headstamp it's easy to ID due to the bottleneck shape.

Slamfire · April 01, 2021, 11:10:58 AM

New load data ! With & with out fillers . Chaparral 40-60,model ( 2008 ) 1876 , x 26"

All shot over my ( new to me , thanks to KEN H. ) Caldwell Chronograph .

H-4198 ,, 24.8 grs.,, case OAL. 1.880,W/403168 .215 grs. crimped in groove , 19 rds.

10rds. w/o fillers,, HI. 1564 f/s ,, low, 1240 f/s = 1343 f/s. spread= .324

9rds. w/filler ( .7 poly. ) ,, HI. 1570 f/s ,, low, 1532 f/s = 1,555.8 f/s. '' = .38

Don't have a phone to record all info. ,,, YET ,, soooo if my math is a " little " off ,, it's probable my " pen ".
These loads are for my rifle ,, YMMV , use at your own risk !! .

coffee's ready ,, Hootmix.

KenH · April 02, 2021, 07:42:02 AM

What distance where you shooting to get a "spread = .324? Is that group size? OR - something like ES?

Looks like H-4198 really works better with filler. The the filler holds the powder back to rear closer to primer for better ignition. I'm sure glad the chrono is working for you - I sure hope the phone attachment will work for you. You might try a friends phone to load the app and test. I'm sure liking the mold you sent - just the right bullet for a 40-60.

Ken H>

Slamfire · April 02, 2021, 11:10:27 AM

Sorry , Ken ,, that is extreme spread ,it was a wild day. I also shot 5 rds. in my 45-60 w/ the same load as the 40-60 ( 24.8 grs. w/ filler )and got a ES of 9, Avg. fps. for the 45-60 was 1,555.8 fps. ( back under the trailer today , removing old insulation ).

coffee's ready ,, Hootmix.