Glad that reproductions/clones are being made other than by Colt

[sfc rick]

The vast majority of Ruger's Prescott, AZ factory workers are temporary workers who make $10.00 hr. & no bennies.   That's why Ruger moved there:  cheap labor. Now if you had a son or daughter in the workforce would you be more proud of them if they worked at Colt for a good salary & bennies or at Ruger for peanuts with a bunch of illegal aliens? Think about it. There is a huge social price to be paid for a Walmart World.

There's something to be said about "Entry level jobs/employment" that are Entry level. No one forces a guy/gal to stay at a low paying job when they should be getting an education and skill set training to move on to bigger and better employment. I don't see many slave labor jobs advertised and if a person cries about their job...I would have said....Get out and better yourself instead of whining. As a business owner I only have the responsibility to make a profit and keep my doors open and investors happy. I went from building a product at union labor rates in the US to building them overseas for a fraction of the cost, and guess what? I made a hefty profit for my patented products and sent MY kids to college. Ruger does what it does, and Colt can do what it does, but at the end of day it's good business sense to keep your costs down and price your product for your customers.

[Pettifogger]

The vast majority of Ruger's Prescott, AZ factory workers are temporary workers who make $10.00 hr. & no bennies.   That's why Ruger moved there:  cheap labor. Now if you had a son or daughter in the workforce would you be more proud of them if they worked at Colt for a good salary & bennies or at Ruger for peanuts with a bunch of illegal aliens? Think about it. There is a huge social price to be paid for a Walmart World.

Have you ever been to the Prescott plant?  I have several times.  The plant manager (now retired) is a good friend and has taken me on several tours and I talked to many of the employees for a magazine article.  Your statements are BS.  Hiring illegals is a crime and Ruger is a gun manufacturing plant.  Do you seriously believe they would hire illegals and risk huge fines or getting shut down?

[Fox Creek Kid]

...Hiring illegals is a crime and Ruger is a gun manufacturing plant.  Do you seriously believe they would hire illegals and risk huge fines or getting shut down?

When a company uses a temp agency the legal onus is upon them (the temp agency) and not the actual company. As well, the Obama Admin. stopped unannounced raids on employers. Even then, the fines are minuscule in proportion to money saved, ergo they wouldn't do it. That's why we have over 20 million of them here in the USA.

As well, do you really think a co. exec. would tell you the truth? Please.

[Blair]

I think Pettifogger's question to you was and is a very important point!
"Have you ever been to the Prescott plant?"
My best,
Blair

[TwoWalks Baldridge]

A person when looking at the wages paid in Prescott Az. Needs to look at the cost of living index as well.

If a person lives in San Jose California and works for $21.50 per hour, they can live just as well in Prescott making $14.00 per hour.

[bbates123]

My .02.  I own about 8 late 3rd gen Colts, a couple of 1st gen Colts, 4 Cimarron/Ubertis (mostly Evil Roy) and a Pietta - all recent mfg.  The fit/finish on all my Colts is better than the Ubertis/Pietta hands down.  Better level of polishing, much better case hardening, better fit to frame without overhangs, etc.  Now is that worth an extra $800-$900?  I will say this, if I ever get another Cimarron it'll be with the "US Finish".  I just can't stand the look of the chemical case hardening.

[llanerosolitario]

I own a 2nd generation Colt  in 45 colt and a  4th generation in 44/40, and my brother owns another 4th generation in 45 Colt, and I own also a UBERTI, and old one, and have tested several new ones.

there are big differences:

the finish is much, much better in the COLT, with a very deep blueing, umblemished, and a case hardening that is a real beauty, resembling real marble. The lock and internal parts are more durable in my opinion, and for me, it has been easier to obtein top accuracy with them.


the chambers in the COLT are fully uniform in diameter, but in my UBERTI go from 11,62 mm the smallest, to 11,67 the biggest.

the cost of a good finish is high, it can mean several hundred dollars in difference,  and COLT´s polishing is about perfect, smooth as silk but without too much bright.  That costs money and requires highly trained workers. The blueing is darker, durable. The italian blueing is less lasting, and lighter..

I was very happy with a clone that, in my opinion, was better and more interesting than the UBERTIs, the Taurus Gaucho, with let me get top accuracy with almost any load and has a very soft mechanism. Unfortunately , out of production. Such a good revolver. The transfer bar never gave me a trouble.

I had the opportunity to engrave UBERTI, COLT and PIETTA. The Pietta was allways soft, easy to engrave. The Ubertis and Colt had a real case hardened frame, tought on the surface as a diamond, not allowing engraving unless some unnealing was done to the frame.

a Colt and some replicas are collectable, but not Ubertis or Piettas. They are not an investment.

[Scattered Thumbs]

I thought we was all brothers... In arms.   

[sfc rick]

I thought we was all brothers... In arms.   

Some think they are more "brother" than others.......sad but that's human nature, right or wrong.

[Niederlander]

I've got a Frontier Six Shooter from 1894 that just "feels" better than MOST reproductions.  I've also got as ASM that feels exactly like an original Colt (of course, I've rebuilt it with mostly Colt parts).  I just saw a 3rd Generation .45 in a local shop that, to be honest, is not that impressive.  I just shot a 3rd Generation .44-40 yesterday that was very nice.  I think, like most things, you have to look at the individual item and decide if the quality justifies the price.  Thank goodness for the Italian replicas, though.  Without them most of us would never have been able to get started shooting the old time guns.  Some of them, especially the latest ones, seem to be of excellent quality, and will shoot better than 99% of the people shooting them can hold them.

[Scattered Thumbs]

Some think they are more "brother" than others.......sad but that's human nature, right or wrong.

Well, you have just resumed the History of the World in one sentence. 

[nativeshootist]

How much you bet that the "New" Colt saa are just Uberti parts? i mean, several of you noticed changes in them. so what stops Colt from importing Uberti part kits and finishing them in house?

[Galen]

Native shooter you are correct colt got us with their "second generation" black powder guns. the new colts more likely the not are only assembled here just based on past practices.

[St. George]

No, they're not.

Colt has always produced in-house and can document the process.

That there have been things to notice is due to manufacturing and to eras of manufacturing - with 'some' SAAs not being as well finished or fitted as before or since.

The much-vaunted '2d Generation' guns were built on pre-WWII-era machinery and tooling that wasn't being updated as often as it should have, and didn't produce magnificent revolvers by a long shot - the '3d Generations' came to be as a result of the machinery and manufacturing process, but in the '80's strike years, 'everything' suffered.

Today's brand-new SAAs are well-fitted, well-finished and come from the factory with good triggers already in place

USFA billed '100% American Made' but built with Italian parts, and didn't say a thing - with their earlier ones still having the Italian proof marks present.

Scouts Out!

[Coffinmaker]

PopCorn,  Peanuts,  CrackerJacks,  Get yer PopCorn,   Peanuts and CrackerJacks right here.  Step right up folks .... PopCorn,  Peanuts,  CrackerJacks right here!!!   HotDogs,  Peanuts,  PopCorn,  CrackerJacks .... here they are ... get yer HotDogs before they thaw out ....  Step Right up ................................

Coffinmaker
(What loves a good discussion)

[Galen]

St George all facts indicate your statement flawed.

[Cliff Fendley]

Galen, St. George is speaking of Colt SAA and you are speaking of second gen. black powder colts....I think so....eh...never mind.....HEY COFFINMAKER! PASS THE POPCORN!!!

[St. George]

In no way was I referencing the blackpowder line - I addressed 'that' years ago with Adler's articles on 'Real' Blackpowder Colts, but that's up in 'the Colt Forum' and you'd have to look it up, but I doubt you will, since the truth is inconvenient.

I've never seen those percussions referred to as 'saas' as in a slightly earlier thread, before now either - they're not.

My words stand on the 'actual' Colt 'Single Action Army'.

By the way, I'm partial to a blend of caramel corn, cheese corn and white popcorn called the 'Chicago Mix', so if you've got some...

Vaya con Dios - acaso...

Scouts Out!

[Cliff Fendley]

Ewe, naw you can have that caramel corn. I agree on the SAA, Colt seems to be making the best now as ever, now if they would just make more of them.

[RRio]

No, they're not.

Colt has always produced in-house and can document the process.

That there have been things to notice is due to manufacturing and to eras of manufacturing - with 'some' SAAs not being as well finished or fitted as before or since.

The much-vaunted '2d Generation' guns were built on pre-WWII-era machinery and tooling that wasn't being updated as often as it should have, and didn't produce magnificent revolvers by a long shot - the '3d Generations' came to be as a result of the machinery and manufacturing process, but in the '80's strike years, 'everything' suffered.

Today's brand-new SAAs are well-fitted, well-finished and come from the factory with good triggers already in place

USFA billed '100% American Made' but built with Italian parts, and didn't say a thing - with their earlier ones still having the Italian proof marks present.

Scouts Out!

In the very beginning of USFA when they where USPt.FA  is true. But, soon after that everything, 100 %, was made in the US.