Glad that reproductions/clones are being made other than by Colt

Started by Virginia Gentleman, February 26, 2014, 03:06:40 PM

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Fox Creek Kid

Quote from: Shotgun Franklin on March 09, 2014, 05:38:54 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to buy a Colt BP Frame SAA for $450 to $500? I don't guess we'll see those days again.


That's why Rugers are cheap as most of their Prescott labor force are temp workers who earn $10.50 hr. & no bennies. Sort of puts Ruger in a different light.  ::)

Mean Bob Mean

Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on March 11, 2014, 05:23:27 AM

That's why Rugers are cheap as most of their Prescott labor force are temp workers who earn $10.50 hr. & no bennies. Sort of puts Ruger in a different light.  ::)

Rugers are more than Ubertis though.  Most I see are 50.00-100.00 more.
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hatman

Quote from: Coffinmaker on March 01, 2014, 07:56:01 PM
Let us not ignore the fact that Colt hasn't shipped a new manufacture SAA to a dealer in over THREE years.  Has not taken any orders for the custom shop.  And probably won't in the foreseeable future.  Made from unobtainieum.  The only available Colts are being sold on Gunbroker and other on line sites for absolutely STUPID money.
Let us give a hearty round of applause to Uberti and Pietta.

Coffinmaker
To the bold - Is that really true?  The reason I'm asking is the following short story:
In June 2012 I went to a local gun store and placed an order with them for a Colt SAA.  They told me it would be 2-4 month wait time.
I was naive and didn't do any research to I plopped down 50%.  Months and months went by with no word.  I got suspicious and started researching this gun shop only to find out they have a HORRIBLE reputation in all aspects of their business.
After 12 months went by I asked for a realistic estimate and they have no clue.  So I asked for my money back. 

At first they balked, but after 3 months of phone calls and emails I begrudgingly got a refund.
Then, about a month later I get an email from them saying the Colt just showed up in their mail and asked if I still wanted it.  I said yes.  However multiple attempts by me via email to get a further response went unanswered.
I figured the shop decided to sell it to someone else for a premium and didn't want to fess up.
Given what you stated I now wonder if they were up to some other kind of shenanigans.

This is a chain gun shop in WA and OR that no one should deal with. 

FlyingZebra

Name names.

Quote from: hatman on March 11, 2014, 03:54:14 PM
... The reason I'm asking is the following short story:
...
This is a chain gun shop in WA and OR that no one should deal with. 


If indeed these folks should be avoided, state the name of the shop for all to see.




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Coal Creek Griff

QuoteIf indeed these folks should be avoided, state the name of the shop for all to see.

I agree (living in those areas especially).

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hatman

Quote from: FlyingZebra on March 12, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
Name names.


If indeed these folks should be avoided, state the name of the shop for all to see.




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Virginia Gentleman

I would also point out that Colt's current offering is more of a copy with different threading for the barrel, screws and internals that are not the same as the origin the original design. :-[

Drydock

The Colt Custom Shop produces around 200 SAAs per month, with a 2 year backorder situation.  This is what Colt thinks is viable, and history tends to prove them correct.  Wither USFA.  I have Italian SAAs, and I have Colts.  I like them both, and both were worth what I paid.  IMHO of course!
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Virginia Gentleman

The grip that Colt the pony with modern SAAs that are not anymore authentic to the  first gen design never ceases to amaze me.  If you are a collector drink the 3rd gen Koop aide, otherwise , the reproductions are more bang for the buck.

RRio

Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on March 11, 2014, 05:23:27 AM

That's why Rugers are cheap as most of their Prescott labor force are temp workers who earn $10.50 hr. & no bennies. Sort of puts Ruger in a different light.  ::)

Where did you get this information? ???
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During the middle of the last century there was little demand for Single Action Revolvers. When WWII started the nation geared up for war time production. The old machinery made to produce the Peacemaker was pushed out to allow for the making of other guns. After the war, the machinery was in very poor condition. When the demand for the SAA again reached a point to make them profitable new machinery was needed and built or bought. New methods and new ways did effect the product. They aren't exactly the same but what product do you know of that was made in 1873 is even still made now? If you could find one I'm very sure it wouldn't be exactly the same. Even my Cowboy Boots are made by a Chinese guy on a machine.
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Quote from: Shotgun Franklin on March 14, 2014, 10:00:23 AM
...Even my Cowboy Boots are made by a Chinese guy on a machine.

Mine were made by a Mexican guy on a machine.  :)
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67flh

When you beat up on the 3d Generation Colt SAA's some of you are coming off as if it's a case of sour grapes as if that is your excuse for purchasing a clone. I have owned a 3d Generation SAA  .44 Special 7.5 " barrel it was a beautiful l gun, I currently own (3) 2d Generation SAA's all shooters. To each his own but there is no sense in beating up the originals in order to justify your purchase of a clone. Just my 2 cents, YMMV

Mean Bob Mean

Quote from: Abilene on March 15, 2014, 11:23:20 PM
Mine were made by a Mexican guy on a machine.  :)

God bless all Chinese and Mexican guys making reproductions for us.  Hey, toss in the Italians and Turks as well . . .
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MJN77

QuoteWhen you beat up on the 3d Generation Colt SAA's some of you are coming off as if it's a case of sour grapes as if that is your excuse for purchasing a clone.......... To each his own but there is no sense in beating up the originals in order to justify your purchase of a clone. Just my 2 cents, YMMV
Well here's how I see it. I have two Colt revolvers and twelve Uberti revolvers. Not just SAA clones, but a conversion, open top, S&W russian, Bisley. Guns that Colt doesn't make. For the cost of these twelve revolvers I could've owned what, three more Colts. All the same model 1873. The truth is, as far as function and accuracy, a Colt won't do anything a Uberti can't at less than a third of the price. Fact is a lot of people don't see spending enough money to buy three or four Uberti or Pietta revolvers on basically the same gun with a cute little horsey and "colt" stamped on it. A new Colt is no more "historical" than a new Uberti. Just another new gun. I have noticed that some guys that own honest to God, genuine, Colts come off as having a superiority complex that causes them to spout crap like the above quote. No sense beating up on folks that can't afford $1400 or don't want to spend that much money on 141 year old technology. It's no excuse, I'll likely never buy another Colt. I can't say the same about Ubertis. You like Colts, fantastic. I personally don't think they are worth $1400 (or more) a pop. To each his own. ;)

67flh

Quote from: MJN77 on March 16, 2014, 03:11:54 PMYou like Colts, fantastic. I personally don't think they are worth $1400 (or more) a pop. To each his own. ;)

Yes I do like Colts and you make some very valid points as to the various Uberti models that are offered VS. just the. Colt SAA. By all means own whatever you want and be assured that you will never hear me dogging your choice like some of the folks on here dog the Colts. You said in your post "to each his own" it is ok that I do not get too excited about clones isn't it?

MJN77

Quotebe assured that you will never hear me dogging your choice like some of the folks on here dog the Colts.

Actually, you did.

Quoteyou are coming off as if it's a case of sour grapes as if that is your excuse for purchasing a clone.

Quoteno sense in beating up the originals in order to justify your purchase of a clone.

How much sense does it make to come to the "Colt SAA CLONE" forum and tell the folks that they have a "case of sour grapes" because they don't own a genuine Colt or have to "justify" buying a Uberti or Pietta? There are a lot of reasons people buy "clones" instead of a Colt. Me personally, I think Colt SAAs are extremely overpriced for what they are and Ubertis are the best bang for the buck. Personally I do not care in the least what you get excited about, but telling me or anyone else we need to have an "excuse" or to "justify" the purchase of a clone isn't exactly "not dogging my choice".  ::)

67flh

Quote from: MJN77 on March 16, 2014, 04:59:12 PM
Actually, you did.

How much sense does it make to come to the "Colt SAA CLONE" forum and tell the folks that they have a "case of sour grapes" because they don't own a genuine Colt or have to "justify" buying a Uberti or Pietta? There are a lot of reasons people buy "clones" instead of a Colt. Me personally, I think Colt SAAs are extremely overpriced for what they are and Ubertis are the best bang for the buck. Personally I do not care in the least what you get excited about, but telling me or anyone else we need to have an "excuse" or to "justify" the purchase of a clone isn't exactly "not dogging my choice".  ::)


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