New "Original Henry Rifle" by the present-day Henry Repeating Arms Company

[RattlesnakeJack]

I think I saw a recent comment somewhere here on the NCOWS forums about the unsuitability of all the rifles produced nowadays by this Company .....

But how about this new offering by them?



- http://henryrepeating.com/The-Original-Henry-Rifle.cfm

To my admittedly untutored eye it looks mighty good ..... although with a MSRP of $2300    it ought to!

[Major 2]

The Henry Repeating Arms Company "Big Boy" in is various offering is not NCOWS approved...
It is not a representation anything 19th century, aside for the lever action.

HRA did lobby the Wild Bunch (SASS) and got the Big Boy approved @ SASS. several years ago.
On the surface the new offering looks to be on track...and may well be already SASS approved.

The process works differently with NCOWS ....

1.)  One (any NCOWS member) must submit the candidate , in this case HRA's new 1860 Henry, to the National Judge & Authenticity Committee.
    a. Written request
    b. provenance ( Photos & or proof the firearm was present & commonly available between 1860 -1898 ) or close replica of same.

2.) the Authenticity Committee chaired by the Natl' Judge discuss the offering, they can either return the request to the poster, for more information, or send the request on to Congress with a recommendation.
Or they may decide, to offer no recommendation.

3) Congress then may choose to approve , disapprove or table the offering.


That said, the new Henry Repeating Arms Company Henry Original Rifle has at this writing not been submitted, nor any closer to approval...
I have yet to handle one, though I have been in contact with Anthony (HRA) Imperato and he with me...
I have requested one for evaluation and Mr. Imperato has requested my FFL, and it was provided.

That is were we (NCOWS) are at... I have hopes one will be forth coming, until then or a written request from the membership for ruling by the Authenticity Committee ,HRA's Henry Original Rifle remains outside the Tally Book.

Roger Ragland , NCOWS National Judge

[OklaTom]

Point of note here:  The words "in common use" and such were removed from the by-laws.  Documented use is what is in By-Law 7-1.

[Tjackstephens]

Has any one contacted Henry Repeating Arms? They may have copied plans from the Original Henry Rifle. They may even have an Original Henry and made this rifle from an exact copy. I guess all we have to compare it to is a Uberti. Tj  

After making my post, I see that Major 2 is in contact with Henry Repeating Arms. Tj

[Major 2]

Contact phase so far has not produced an example to test.... I imagination there is a waiting list for a test mule.

When I have one, it will be compared with my Uberti's  and the results will be subject of a Shootist article.

[Major 2]

I now have one in hand....

[RattlesnakeJack]

Tell us about authenticity and quality .... and how it shoots, if and when you get a chance to do that.

[Major 2]

I have posted side by side photos in another thread....

authenticity and quality are both very good... a complete range report & gun test will be in the upcoming Shootist

[tommy4toes]

Where's the link to your thread? I'm seriously considering buying one.

Tommy4toes

[Major 2]

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,52127.0.html

Article ran last year in the Shootist , I understood there are no more issues to be had,  that issue run was depleted , so I posted it on the Henry BB.

1 year & 1/2 later the gun is still shooting flawlessly...

buy with confidence, it is very well made and HRA are good people   

[Crow Choker]

Major 2: Read your review on the Henry forum. Good review. I've seen several of the HRA 'Henrys' at several gun shows this past month (Iowa) and was impressed at the quality and what from I've seen of original Henrys, the likeness. Price was approx. $1800 asking, but didn't inquire about any reduction. If I were wanting to get one, I'd have no problem in getting the HRA Henry. As with all their fine rifles,  the quality was there along with any customer service that could come along. I have one of their golden boy 22's. Other than having a different feel, it is every bit the rifle my 45 year old Marlin 39M is. They as other Henry rifles should be allowed in NCOWS as they are in SASS shoots in my opinion. If shooters want to complain about the HRA Henrys as they do with all of HRA's products, they can buy an imported Uberti or better yet drain some of their savings and buy an original.
     

[Major 2]

The HRA Henry is legal for NCOWS

Approved list states ... Winchester Models 1860, 1866, 1873, 1876, 1886, and 1892 manufactured by Armi San Marco,
Uberti, and others
Winchester '94s if they retain the physical characteristics and appearance of 1894 models
manufactured prior to 1899, in approved cartridges.

Clearly Henry Repeating Arms is an OTHER and there for legal

On the other had the Big Boy is not copy of anything prior to 1898 and there for not approved

[OklaTom]

There is no doubt it is a really nice rifle.  I say Major's at the convention last year and it was a beaut.  However, I have a problem with the pricing.  Twice that of Uberti.  But I suspect the price will come down as they recoup their NRE.

[Major 2]

There is no doubt it is a really nice rifle.  I saw Major's at the convention last year and it was a beaut.  However, I have a problem with the pricing.  Twice that of Uberti.  But I suspect the price will come down as they recoup their NRE.

I'd go along with that, the new Bass Pro in Palm Bay has one listed @ $1850 .... I'll check tomorrow if its still there..
they also have an engraved model.... no price listed 

Crow Choker

I'd like to point out , As the out going NCOWS Judge ( 2013-2014 )
I made a recommendation  to Congress to Approve the Henry Repeating Arms H011 Original 1860 Henry " By name "

However, by the time I had reviewed it was to close to the Convention to get the recommendation on the agenda,
the mater was tabled until a later date.

I have 4 Henry's 3 Uberti's ( spanning 1980, 1999 & 2009 )  & the HRA 2013 , all are fine shooters 

[OklaTom]

I'd go along with that, the new Bass Pro in Palm Bay has one listed @ $1850 .... I'll check tomorrow if its still there..
they also have an engraved model.... no price listed  

Crow Choker

I'd like to point out , As the out going NCOWS Judge ( 2013-2014 )
I made a recommendation  to Congress to Approve the Henry Repeating Arms H011 Original 1860 Henry " By name "

However, by the time I had reviewed it was to close to the Convention to get the recommendation on the agenda,
the mater was tabled until a later date.

I have 4 Henry's 3 Uberti's ( spanning 1980, 1999 & 2009 )  & the HRA 2013 , all are fine shooters  

Major,
There was no need to "Approve the Henry Repeating Arms H011 Original 1860 Henry " By name "" as it was already on the approved list under the line "Winchester Models 1860, 1866, 1873, 1876, 1886, and 1892 manufactured by Armi San Marco, Uberti, and others", Henry Repeating Arms being one of "the others".

[Major 2]

Exactly , preaching to the choir , I had already posted that very point...

However ,  if you check the unapproved list you will read this
Rifles
Winchester '94 with angle eject
Henry Big Boy and all other models
Modern lever-action rifles in current production equipped with angle eject, ramped front sight.
H&R Buffalo Classic
Beretta Renegade (an 1873 w/factory installed short stroke)

which does contradict ....

my recommendation @ the 2014 Senate meeting was to
Add The H011 to the approved list & delete  the " and all other models " wording in the un-approved list to avoid any confusion.

[OklaTom]

I too had question about the Henry Original because the unapproved list states as Major posted and wondered if it didn't need to specifically put on the approved list or reword the unapproved list regarding Henry.

No, it is a replica of the 1860 Henry, thus does not need to called out by name. For reasons I won't go into, calling it out by name and model number is a bad idea. However, the unapproved list should me modified to read "Henry Big Boy and all other side eject models". That would cover it.

[Cliff Fendley]

Bryan, you caught me in the middle of editing my post to clarify myself. I had asked the judge recently if it became approved because of the original stance on Henry before the H011 was offered.

As you said the unapproved list is what caused me to raise the question and wonder if it should be clarified.

[OklaTom]

Bryan, you caught me in the middle of editing my post to clarify myself. I had asked the judge recently if it became approved because of the original stance on Henry before the H011 was offered.

As you said the unapproved list is what caused me to raise the question and wonder if it should be clarified.

Cliff,

You're a Represebtative. Why don't you go ahead and write a proposal for the next meeting of Congress. Until then, I cannot imagine any reason the Judge or Authenticity Committee would challenge an HRA "1860 Original".

[Major 2]

Indeed ... " the unapproved list should me modified to read "Henry Big Boy and all other side eject models". That would cover it."

Can't we just revisit & amend my My 2014 recommendation ?
It was tabled for later review....

I'm not concern about it's approval, it is, that's a given...just the confusion of wording in the unapproved list

btw  strike through all other as in delete that wording ....  the approved Marlin 94 is side eject