Looking for pattern pack or book with pattern for cap box/pouch

[Camano Ridge]

I am looking for a pattern or book with information on making a cap pouch. The ones I see for sale say they are lined with shearling or wool to protect the caps. Do they line all the sides with the shearling(seems like that would be a pain to dig the caps out of) or wool. It looks like mos have an inner flap and outer flap. Really looking for dimensions and construction tips. I think I have a plan for molding the front piece of the pouch.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I don't have a pattern, but there may be some help here;    http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,42252.0.html

I have an El Paso Saddlery cap pouch, which omits the fleece.  After 1870, when cap pouches were re-purposed to hold metallic revolver ammo the fleece was usually removed.

[Camano Ridge]

Sir Charles, thank you for the information i had found that thread already and it did give me some insight. Also thank you for the information on the fleece. This would be used for caps.

Camano

[Trailrider]

I am looking for a pattern or book with information on making a cap pouch. The ones I see for sale say they are lined with shearling or wool to protect the caps. Do they line all the sides with the shearling(seems like that would be a pain to dig the caps out of) or wool. It looks like mos have an inner flap and outer flap. Really looking for dimensions and construction tips. I think I have a plan for molding the front piece of the pouch.

The wool only lined the back wall of the pouch.  If you can get ahold of a reprint of Ordnance Memoranda No. 18, from 1874, and look on Plate 1, it shows some limited dimensions.

[David Carrico]

The wool strip was only about 3/4" or 1" wide. Not sure of the specs, but it was just a strip even with the top, not the entire back of the pouch. There was also a small loop inside for a nipple pick.

[Drayton Calhoun]

I have an old tandy pattern for a bullet pouch that I just scanned and reduced by about 25% worked pretty well.

[Camano Ridge]

Drayton, do you know the name of the pattern pack that pattern came from? I would like to see if I can track it down.

[theshoer]

what weight leather would you use for a Cap pouch

[Camano Ridge]

I was planning on using about 8oz leather.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

My El Paso Saddlery cap pouch is made of thinner leather, about 5 oz.

Here are some measurements from my pouch. I'm not sure if the measurements are common for pouches from other makers. Start with some spare leather as these are trimmed measurements.

http://www.vintagegunleather.com/shoppe/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=686

Backpiece/top flap;  3 7/8 wide from edge to edge. 9 inches long from bottom to the end of the flap-tongue.  The hole for the stud is 7 1/2 inches from the bottom of the back/flap. Bottom and top/front are semicircular with the tongue at the front being a spear point shape about 2 1/4 inch long by 1 5/8 inch wide

The inner flap; slightly thinner leather, 6 inches long and the same width as the back/flap.  It is glued to the back/flap for 3 inches.  It is trimmed about 1/8 inch inside the back/flap above the top of the pouch front and straight out for 1 5/16 inch then semicircular covering the front of the pouch by about 1 3/4 inch.

The shaping block for the front seems to be 3 inches wide with a semicurcular shape and nicely rounded. See the thread on moulding leather poiuches for the procedure. The Sam Browne stud for the outer flap is centered in the bottom and halfway up, front to back, of the front piece after it is shaped. (The tongue bends down around the bottom of the pouch when secured)

Assemble the back with two 3/4 inch wide belt loops rivetted to fit your belt, going through both the outer and inner back/flaps.  Mine was made by EPS for a 2 3/4 inch belt.

Sew the front to the back and trim with about 1/8 inch of all three thicknesses of leather outside the stich line. (Note; the stitch line is 3 1/2 inches apart across the top of the pouch.) Dress well with gum traganthe.  Dye black for U.S. service & undyed for CSA or civilian use

[Camano Ridge]

Sir Charles, thank you. I believe you have given me what I need. This will not be dyed black or left natural it will be dyed to match a belt i just finished. The measurements are what i really needed. Thanks again

[Boothill Bob]

I have pattern for this one.. If you are interested I can scan it and e-mail it.

[R.T. Rangebum]

Hey Boothill,

If that offer applies to others, I would love to have that pattern.

r.t.rangebum@hotmail.com

Thanks in advance,

Rangebum

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I notice that Boothill Bob's pouch is of a different pattern.  Perhaps easier to make, but double the sewing. Stiff front and back with a flexible bellows strip between.  I made a true copy of a British Sam Brown pouch that way.  I copied it off a WW I original.

The US service cap pouch has the front wet-molded.

[Graveyard Jack]

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