Percussion shotguns in competitions

[OklaTom]

Well said, Cliff.  Thank you.

[Dynamite Bill]

maybe the 60% don't like cleaning guns as much as the rest of us. that there's a joke fella's. Me, I don't care what or how ya'll shoot, I just wish ya'll wouldn't mess with the way I choose to shoot! or Nana also.

[Cliff Fendley]

maybe the 60% don't like cleaning guns as much as the rest of us. that there's a joke fella's. Me, I don't care what or how ya'll shoot, I just wish ya'll wouldn't mess with the way I choose to shoot! or Nana also.

Their proposal don't change what Nana shoots, you just might be forced to shoot in her class so she can beat ya. 

[Capt. JEB Forrest]

Startin to get a sour feelin. Sounds like another Western Action Shooting outfit I belong to.

Wouldnt be right to do that to this group, it ain't fair to that class, need to even things up for that catagory. Besides we need to grow membership because revenue is down.

Like that outfit, I'll shoot the posse shoots where you have some autonomy and skip the regional and nationals.

[Cole Bluesteele]

JEB

Interesting comment, but no one is doing anything to this group.  The group itself did the voting in the surveys and the congress will make the final decision.

[John William McCandles]

It would be interesting to know how many of those voicing their opinions now took the time to fill out and send a survey to the ad hoc committee.
Do I agree with all the proposed changes? No, but some changes are needed to bring in new shooters. My concerns mainly lay with class descriptions concerning weapons to be used and such. I would really like to see all the 4 gun classes changed to a 3 gun setup, and allow the other class changes/additions as the proposal is written with some modifications to bring the Pistoleer back to the original intent, but that will never happen with the 4 gun categories.

Regards
JW

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Leave the categories stand the way the founders set 'em. Just my 2 pennies worth.

Respectfully Harley,

With that ideology, we would not have the Working Cowboy class which is the most popular shooting class across all posses.

[Cole Bluesteele]

I have avoided posting my opinions here as they will be reserved for the Congress meeting.  What I will state again is that the motions by the Ad Hoc Committee are based exclusively on what the members who responded to the surveys asked for in Survey 1 and then voted for or against in Survey 2.

While the committee members may not agree in total with the motions, I believe we have provided a workable framework to create a class structure that will help NCOWS grow its membership.  Membership that enjoys our historical emphasis and an equitable shooting competition.

Is this structure the structure to end all structure discussions?  Definitely not!  That is why we are proposing the creation of the Shooting Class Committee.  This Shooting Class Committee will investigate and address future deletions, additions and modifications requested by members and submit their findings and recommendations to the Congress.

Will Rogers said, " even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.'  It's time to get moving.

[Cliff Fendley]

I think the committee has done a fine job and thank them for doing so.

[harleydavis]

Is it possible to learn the outcome of the voting in regards to the shotgun in Pistoleer class? It was not my intention to have such a heated discussion of classes and updates to accomodate the inevitable changing membership in any organization. I shall, of course, abide with the Congress in its representation of the organization. As noted, the survival of NCOWS into the future certainly outweighs one opinion. I really just was curious if I shot percussion shotgun if I would a the lone ranger. it is a slower process and would neccessarily slow up a posse. In a larger attended shoot, may bugger up the works, I understand that. If the shotgun is eliminated, so be it. One less weapon to clean and I will simply sell it to someone that has a better need for it. Thank you for your understanding.

[OklaTom]

Nothing has changed at this time.  The Committee is doing some fine tuning, and the proposal has been tabled for now.  However, there is no plan to change the Pistoleer class.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Harley;  So, you are selling your smokepole.  I think you give up too easily, or you live in an apartment.

[OklaTom]

I will still use my percussion 12 ga in Pistoleer.  I switch out between shooting percussion and cartridge.  But glad Psitoleer will remain unchanged.

[harleydavis]

Harley;  So, you are selling your smokepole.  I think you give up too easily, or you live in an apartment.

Well, sold it already. It wasnt a matter of giving up, I bought an Uberti Russian and so, it was a matter of funds. I have my old hammer SxS that I will fall back on. Also, my idiocy knows no bounds it seems as I currently have my brain struggling with a potential purchase of a Spencer. Must be some sort of nut.........oh,I forgot where I was for a moment. This Forum is home to whole host of like minded cowboys!!

[Cliff Fendley]

Thats good that there will still be a place for percussion shotguns. So when will we know about the other proposed classes? Are we waiting another year?

[OklaTom]

Thats good that there will still be a place for percussion shotguns. So when will we know about the other proposed classes? Are we waiting another year?

There will be more news on this as the solution develops.  I don't expect a long delay.  When it happens, and all the minutes from Congress are ready, there will be a posting in the "News From The Executive Committee" forum.

[jefff]

thanks for replying tom,i know alot of people are interested in the out come of congress meeting that lasted to midnight.alot of questions came up about the shooting classes and some of the reps and senators expressed concern that this motion replaced all of the classes as they now stand.i believe we can add classes to encourage more shooters at the national but i have to say those that set up the ncows org. did a wonderful job in keeping the shooters in each class on equal footing as far as equipment goes.thanks again to all that partisipated at congress meeting ,it was so much fun maybe we should do it every week.jefff

[Cliff Fendley]

That proposal did not replace all of the current classes at all, how in the world could anyone think it replaced all of the current classes?

It changed Pistoleer class...an easy fix with a motion to amend.

It eliminated the Elder class and may have changed the youth categories.

What other classes did this proposal replace?

The proposal mostly "added" the classes the membership has voted and asked for in the surveys.

[jefff]

with all respect cliff you were not at the meeting and it was stated that if approved that if this motion would do away with the orginal classes in ncows.if it were just adding a 2pistol and1 rifle class i believe it would have been approved.anyway the add-hoc is working on resolving the issues that came up and are working on revisions .the best solutions to a problem sometimes take a little more time i have found and i think this will be worked out.when i read your post you seemed angry and maybe i am not the one answering these questions but i believe what was done was prudent with our time limits.jefff

[OklaTom]

Folks,
Lets not get all worked up here.  It is not "all the classes" that are being replaced.  It is a sizable portion of By Law 10-1 defining the classes that needs replacing or rewriting.  The proposal is not getting rid of any categories, but adding them.  The Elder class was missing from the proposal.  However, that was, as admitted in the meeting, an error, but the back up data and reports indicated that the elder class as it is now (4 gun) is remaining, with the addition of a two gun Elder.  Ted stated in the meeting that where one saw "Senior" in the proposal, it should have read "Senior and Elder".  The same with Junior - keeping the 4 gun, adding the 2 gun.  Again, there are no categories being done away with or replaced.  However, the way By Law 10-1 is currently written, much of that language will have to be replaced or heavily revised to accommodate the additions of the new classes.  Because the language needed to be actually included in the proposal to really make it actionable, it was moved and voted to table the proposal until such time the language is ready.  When the Ad Hoc Committee has this done, there will be a motion to take it off the table and Congress will vote on the proposal.