Same old topic different questions

[griswold]

Howdy folks, I am new to this board, having been out of the shooting sport for a few years due to poor eyesight. That's getting corrected soon, however, I sold off my 1906 model 1892 in 2010, but prior to that I did a lot of reloading for it and my two SA Colts in the same caliber.

I used a lot of H2400 then before switching to 5744.

I am planning sometime this year to pick up a Model 1873, probably a Uberti if I can not find a good serviceable original at a fair price and get back to reloading.

I have read on this forum and one other, about pressure spikes with some modern powders and how they effect the 73.
With that regard, how would using pistol loads in 2400 and 4227 fare?

I found reloading data online, other than my Ancient Lymans, my 1999 Accurate date etc......that indicate from a 7.5" Douglas Barrel the following:

200 grain 42798 bullet: 16.5 grains 2400, MV. 1206
200 grain 42798 bullet:  17.5 grains 2400, mv. 1284
200 grain 42798  bullet:  18 grains H4227, mv 1062
200 grain 42798 bullet:   19 grains H4227, mv 1135
200 grain 42798 bullet:    20 grains H4227, mv 1185

Bare in mind that these are suppose to be pistol loads, so I presume they are good for winchester 73. If not, please let me know.  But then again, what are the pressures and what about this BP pressure spike curve vs. smokeless?

Over on the Win. 76 forum, they talk about the new 44 mag model 73, so apparently there isn't too much of an issue with a new rifle in strength, might be with an old original.

Main reason I am asking is I have a lot of 2400 left over since 2007 and when I procure my 73, I'd like to use it up. Before settling with 5744.

[pony express]

What will you be using these loads for? Theyre too fast for CAS loads, max there is 1000fps pistol and 1300 rifle.

If it's for CAS use, probably 2400 isn't the popwder you need, but more likely a faster pistol powder, along the lines of Unique. 2400 is usually used for higher velocity loads than can be used for CAS.

My ancient Lyman manual(47th edition) lists 2400 only in the rifle loads section, for 200gr jacketed bullet.It lists 16gr 2400/1183fps/11900cup pressure in a 24" pressure barrel as max for a '73 type action. Load you listed is only .5gr powder more, but with cast bullet, and higher velocity in only a 7.5in barrel. Something doesn't add up, I would look for sme more recent data.

[griswold]

Thanks for your input
As I stated, I have a couple of cans unopened of 2400 I was wanting to use up.

In the early 90's I did some testing with my former 1892 with BP, Pyrodex, 2400 and WW296, this was for hunting.

The BP and Pyrodex loads were compressed loads with an average of 1339/22.8 with the BP and 1466/9.6 with Pyrodex.
I understand these are too fast for CAS, but this testing was for hunting.
The 2400 loads were actually faster than what I got from the 296 loads. But these are stout and not suitable for a 73.

I have a 1992 Hercules reloading guide that shows the same max load of 14.5 grs. of 2400 for both rifle and pistol with CUP 12,500  and 1230 mv for both. This is confusing. 

Will H2400 @ 14 gr. for a SSA will be sufficent or too much for plinking with a SSA and a new 73 until I use it all up?
Who has a better loading guide.
My goal is I am wanting a combination round for both types of weapons if possible using 2400.

Meanwhile, I'll stock up on 5744 and perhaps 4227.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

The current online reloaders guides from the US powder companies are http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp and Alliant.  I can't see a current recommendation for the powders you suggest.  Here is Alliant's data for CAS shooting;

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/recipedetail.aspx?gtypeid=5&weight=200&shellid=13&bulletid=14

[pony express]

I'd just save the 2400 for other projects it is more suitable for, and either use BP or something like Unique for plinking loads. I don't have a 44-40, but I have used Titegroup with good results in my .45LC. Never used any 296 so I can't comment on it.

[Lefty Dude]

Go to the www.alliantpowder.com web site and check out the "Cowboy loads" section. They have a very good Unique powder load that works very well.

Unique is a very good accurate and stable powder for the 44WCF in revolvers or Rifles with lead & jacketed loads for medium velocity. For hunting & jacketed loads I would suggest SR4759 or Accurate 5744, both are low pressure powders. I also load for the 44 Mag in my Rossi 92/44, I use 2400,H110 & 296 for full loads. I do not use these powders in the 44WCF cartridges I use in my Custom Colt 44 Revolvers, or my two Uberti 73 carbines.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I'd just save the 2400 for other projects it is more suitable for, and either use BP or something like Unique for plinking loads. I don't have a 44-40, but I have used Titegroup with good results in my .45LC. Never used any 296 so I can't comment on it.

.44-40 takes the same TITEGROUP loads as .45 Colt.

[w44wcf]

I have found 2400 to be a very good powder for the 44-40. 
I have used 15 grs under a 207 gr cast bullet which averaged 1,265 f.p.s. with very good accuracy. 

One advantage it does have is that it would be almost impossible to double charge a case.

w44wcf

[griswold]

I have found 2400 to be a very good powder for the 44-40. 
I have used 15 grs under a 207 gr cast bullet which averaged 1,265 f.p.s. with very good accuracy. 

One advantage it does have is that it would be almost impossible to double charge a case.

w44wcf

W44wcf,
Was this out of a Win. 73?


mossback

[w44wcf]

mossback,
Yes, an original made in 1882.

w44wcf