Failure to fire

[wildman1]

I'm not sure where ya got the idea that I use CCI primers. But I don't. I use Winchester which are the middle of the road as far as hardness goes. They (Winchester primers and Brass) are inconsistant. I have more trouble seating Winchester primers in Winchester brass than any other brass that I own.  WM

[Camille Eonich]

I'm not sure where ya got the idea that I use CCI primers. But I don't. I use Winchester which are the middle of the road as far as hardness goes. They (Winchester primers and Brass) are inconsistant. I have more trouble seating Winchester primers in Winchester brass than any other brass that I own.  WM

It was Yeti in the second post that uses CCI, sorry.  Agree on the Winchesters.

[Jefro]

Jefro, there is a discussion about this "declared dead" subject. Any news. The last I heard, you will not give a malfunctioning gun off to the RO but delare it and put it on the prop.

Howdy Red Cent, that applies to Wild Bunch since each pistol shooting position requires a table or sutible prop. In SASS PW has stated that he prefers the grounding of a malfunction if possible, they are looking into a rule change. Stage design such as down range movement may limit the avalibility of a prop. IMHO this could be over come by using the same rule as in WB. One way is to provide a prop pointed into a side berm, or requiring the malfunctioned firearm to be carried by the shooter safely to the next down range shooting position, with a table or prop at that location. Good Luck

Wild Bunch Handbook
Malfunctioning guns still containing rounds will not warrant penalties so
long as the malfunction is declared and the gun made safe (placed on a
prop with the muzzle in safe direction). At this point, the firearm is still
loaded, everyone knows it, and the firearm can be handled in an
appropriate manner. It is a 10-Second Minor Safety Violation to hand off
a malfunctioning firearm. It must be grounded safely on a prop.

Wild Bunch Handbook
22. Once a shooter stages their firearms on the firing line, no other person
will touch the firearms. The only exception is if the RO deems it
necessary to prevent a severe safety violation. (Any penalties would still
apply.) The shooter shall be the only person to move their firearms from
the firing line to the unloading table.

Wild Bunch Mtach Directors Guide
Remember you MUST provide a safe staging prop at EVERY location
where the 1911 may be fired.

SASS RO I
Malfunctioning guns still containing rounds will not warrant penalties so long as the malfunction is declared and the gun made safe (handed to the Range Officer or placed on a prop with the muzzle in safe direction). At this point, the firearm is still loaded, everyone knows it, and the firearm can be handled in an appropriate manner.

Jefro Relax-Enjoy

[wildman1]

It was Yeti in the second post that uses CCI, sorry.  Agree on the Winchesters.

No need ta be sorry, this thread has elicited a lot more and varied responses than I thought it would. I have in the past used CCI and still do for my Long Range BPCR. I'm thinkin that '84 Trapdoor would set just about anything off. It is not enough ta know somethin ya have ta be able ta have the right response "under the gun" in order to do it right. Thanks for all the responses I'm sure they will help. WM

[John Smith]

I remember witnessing one occassion where some guy at the pistol range was using a Sig Sauer .40 cal. when it suddenly blew the frame off and split the barrel. He was white as a ghost and breathing heavy. He managed to break two fingers and had small shrapnel imbedded in his arms and face. Luckily he was wearing eyeglasses ( not shooter glasses ) that were made of polycarbonate plastic.

He had a round in the barrel and never heard the primer pop.


Do you mean the primer only was strong enough to cycle the action, eject the empty, chamber a new round?

[wildman1]

I musta missed somethin here John, I'm not sure what yer talkin about.  WM

[Gen. Jackson]

Do you mean the primer only was strong enough to cycle the action, eject the empty, chamber a new round?

Yes, apparently. It was later understood that he was using lighter aftermarket springs, while at the same time using a heavy load. It was enough force to put a round in the barrel and cause the slide to be moved to the rear position ejecting "spent" casing.

Also, when shooting semi-auto in quick seccession, and with ear muffs on and the surrounding reports of gunfire within the confines of an enclosed range, then it is logical to see why this happened.

Actually this kind of thing happens more often than you might think. That is why I made my previous statement regarding a squib round. I HAVE to be like this because I don't want to get out of the habit. I shoot way more than just western guns.

[pony express]

It seems to me that having a different rule for WB and regular SASS could be a problem, with WB requiring grounding the pistol, but other catagories handing it to the RO. Don't know about other clubs, but at ours we have WB and others on the same posse, seems a good idea to minimize the rule differences whenever possible.

[yeti76620]

It was Yeti in the second post that uses CCI, sorry.  Agree on the Winchesters.

On the LAST primer run the CCI's where the only thing I could get around Denver Town at the time and I'm just using them up in my 357 mag Nickel cases..... Have 5k Winchesters to use up next.... Federals are hard to come across 'round here for some reason.....Seems that Winchesters are the brand of choice in these parts.....      

I too have heard that the Federals are the Primo....  

It's just a game and faulty primers are a part of it so I don't get too bent on the subject....  Good to Know the Options.. Thanks!

[wildman1]

I use CCI in my nickle cases that I keep in my belt cause they look better. They are fully functional rounds but I don't shoot em. As far as having a hard time finding primers goes,the only small pistol primers I could find for Miss B were S&B, I'm hopin they work OK. WM

[Lumpy Grits]

S&B ammo is good stuff.
I have shot several K's of rounds their ammo(mostly 5.56mm).
I wouln't worry at all about the primers.
LG