reinventing FAST archery

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · December 03, 2012, 11:34:10 AM

http://www.wimp.com/forgottenarchery/

Notice that the archer uses the "Mongolian" draw. where the string is pulled by the right thumb locked by the forefinger with the arrow along the right side of the bow using the left thumb as the arrow rest. Western and modern archery that we are familiar with uses three fingers to draw the string with the arrow on the left of the bow over the left knuckle.

I think that the short draw when the archer is performing close-quarter speed tricks may have been more common than we realize. With the heavy draw weights common in asian bows it could still be very effective. In North America the eskimos and a few Indian groups with close Asian backgrounds used the Mongolian draw.

This guy is amazingly fast, and still able to penetrate chainmail.

Curley Cole · December 03, 2012, 03:56:51 PM

very interesting, as I have just started to reaquaint my self with archery. but not the fancy dancy compound rigs. I went out and got a youth 25lb bow from Big% to start with and I like what it feels like..

curley

Red Cent · December 03, 2012, 06:29:50 PM

Oh, I don't know. I can notch the arrow, attach the the tension release, make the draw, set the bone on bone, anchor, start to flex the lats and pow!! In about two minutes.

Bugscuffle · December 03, 2012, 09:50:05 PM

Quote from: Red Cent on December 03, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Oh, I don't know. I can notch the arrow, attach the the tension release, make the draw, set the bone on bone, anchor, start to flex the lats and pow!! In about two minutes.

Yeah, but can you do THIS???!!!

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p155/JiminTexas/OhmyGod.jpg

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · December 03, 2012, 10:09:25 PM

Yeah!! But this archer has had "technical assistance"

Love to see the movie.

BTW youtube has several young ladies with fabulous;;; - archery skills

Here is another youtube clip when our speed demon was still learning;

Deadeye Don · December 04, 2012, 07:09:00 AM

What do you all figure the draw strength is on those bows?

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · December 04, 2012, 10:30:48 AM

I just wasted an hour reviewing comments to the clip just above. Lars won't explain anything, won't offer training, etc. He says he still hasn't perfected his techniques. The only comment of his that I found useful was the following;

"I have many good bows.

Some recurve bows where hand section is changed.

I am very happy with the small Kaya bows.

Currently I'm waiting with great anticipation for the arrival of the custom made Fast Shooting longbow as Falco is building for me.

sincerely

Lars Andersen"

larsandersen23 in reply

Here is an editted version of the wimp.com video as posted 2 weeks ago on youtube;

http://www.youtube.com/user/larsandersen23/videos

PJ Hardtack · December 04, 2012, 06:08:21 PM

Impressive!

Anyone remember the scene in "Shogun" where a Samurai warrior shoots through a wall and places three arrows rapidly into a gate post?
As he entered the house, he paced off the distance in and as he made turns. He knew exactly where he was in relation to the intended target. After the shots, he expected the host (Richard Chamberlain) to check his accuracy, which he did reluctantly, not expecting to see hits.
That is mastery! Movie magic, but I don't doubt the skills of ancient warriors with their weapons.

If the 'do-gooders' ever realize that people can acquire these skills, archers will have to be vetted, their bows registered and their arrows micro-marked. All in the interest of POG, of course.

Bugscuffle · December 04, 2012, 09:17:05 PM

Hey P.J., that was only a movie. It didn't really happen! It was faked! Not everything that you see in the movies can actually be done.

Quote from: PJ Hardtack on December 04, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
Impressive!

Anyone remember the scene in "Shogun" where a Samurai warrior shoots through a wall and places three arrows rapidly into a gate post?
As he entered the house, he paced off the distance in and as he made turns. He knew exactly where he was in relation to the intended target. After the shots, he expected the host (Richard Chamberlain) to check his accuracy, which he did reluctantly, not expecting to see hits.
That is mastery! Movie magic, but I don't doubt the skills of ancient warriors with their weapons.

If the 'do-gooders' ever realize that people can acquire these skills, archers will have to be vetted, their bows registered and their arrows micro-marked. All in the interest of POG, of course.

PJ Hardtack · December 05, 2012, 01:11:27 PM

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Did I not say that it was "movie magic"?

However, I have seen a documentary on adherents dedicated to preserving the Samurai skill at arms and the code of Bushido. What these men can do with a bow is amazing, even from horseback at the gallop. The scene I described would be well within the capabilities of a disciplined archer/warrior who had developed the capacity to know where he is in relation to a given object.

It is no different to what is done with a map and compass, navigating in the dark. Hitting an a obstacle, you move 'X' number of paces right or left to get by and return to your original bearing.

Even you could do it.

Red Cent · December 05, 2012, 06:59:52 PM

PG13 picture

PJ Hardtack · December 05, 2012, 07:22:25 PM

Red Cent

If that lady is your wife or girl friend, you have become the envy of every man on the forum! If she is your daughter, you're in a whole lot of trouble ..... ;>)