Say it ain't so,Delmonico~

[GunClick Rick]

God even Micheal Jackson knew what bean walkin was! Golly!

[Delmonico]

It's no benifit to either side to solve this or many other problems.  The "Greenies" want a feel good band-aid fix that leaves a festering wound under the band-aid with out even putting iodine on it first.  

[Mogorilla]

I mentioned cutting the corn out of beans as being how I bought my first good racing bike (many pounds ago )   No one in the group knew what I meant and several of them were farm boys.  Made me feel old.  no one knows about bucking bales much either.   One girl asked how you even move the big round ones.     OUCH!
Part of me hopes the Mayans are right (provided I make it though!)   Think of the wildwood flower song.  I will just smile sitting on my sack of seeds.

[Delmonico]

Sorry Mo, the Mayans just ran out of rock and were so far caught up they went and did other things.  I figure I'll just add it to the rest of my "I Survived The End Of The World" T-Shirts.

[GunClick Rick]

I'd be glad just to have a T-shirt that says "I Survived Delmonicos"

[brazosdave]

Hey Gunclick, where ya hail from in the Mojave? I lived in Barstow for a few yrs while I was stationed at Ft. Irwin, did a lot of camping at Owl Canyon and over at the Calico ghost town (pitched my tent right by the cemetary wall up on boot hill)

[GunClick Rick]

I was just born there in Mojave in 1954,Lancaster i guess,but it says Mojave on my BC.My dads uncles were contractors,and one of his uncles owned a diner there.My dad worked at the diner and with the contractors,they built the runway at Edwards.One uncle was killed by an earthmover standing between the tires gettin ready to load up and the driver turned it real fast and cuaght him.They poured 25x25 foot slabs,and at the end of the job on the last pour the enginers and all the workers tossed thier hard hats and ID tags in before the pour,they are still there to this day.We left and moved to Visalia in 55,so of course i don't remember anything ,but mom said the planes would always wake me up,damn that Yeager fella and that X15!   It must be why i always run outside when i hear planes or choppers going over and i watch the jets at night fly over to Leemoore air base.I have always done it,lookin up at the stars. I have only been back there a few times,but it always feels like home...

[Lumpy Grits]

GCR, I'm a couple of miles SW of Plant 42 in Palmdale. I know what's you mean......
LG

[GunClick Rick]

Sounds like you may be close to Wolfgang at the Whitehorse Ranch.

[Bugscuffle]

Is it significant that this thread is filled with many opinions, much speculation and a lot of unsubstantiated claims? I do not see a single vrifiable "FACT", just uninformed guesses and a conspiracy theory or two. For what it's worth here are a few observations.
1. How can a rational person believe that auto makers are "sitting on" patents and inventions that would produce super high mileage cars? If they had it they would build it and corner the world market.
2. The government doesn't build or operate wind turbines, private companies do. They are SOMETIMES subsidized by the government by funds allocated for research and development, but nation wide fewer than 15% of those turbines are paid for by subsidies.
3. There are many reasons why a particular wind turbine might be shut down other than it being broken, such as the power demand may be lower than the output capabaility of the wind farm, it may be shut down for scheduled maintenance, it may be shut down to balance the power to the power inverters/converters that combine the turbines outputs into one, usable power stream.
4. It does work. In the period betyween July 2011 and July 2012, thew U.S produced more than 4.7 Giga watts of wind turbine power. In case you don't  know that is more than 4,700 Mega watts. That is enough energy to supply 11,000,000 households. Yes that is more energy than it took to make them.

[Lumpy Grits]

Sounds like you may be close to Wolfgang at the Whitehorse Ranch.

LG

[Lumpy Grits]

Is it significant that this thread is filled with many opinions, much speculation and a lot of unsubstantiated claims? I do not see a single vrifiable "FACT", just uninformed guesses and a conspiracy theory or two. For what it's worth here are a few observations.
1. How can a rational person believe that auto makers are "sitting on" patents and inventions that would produce super high mileage cars? If they had it they would build it and corner the world market.
2. The government doesn't build or operate wind turbines, private companies do. They are SOMETIMES subsidized by the government by funds allocated for research and development, but nation wide fewer than 15% of those turbines are paid for by subsidies.
3. There are many reasons why a particular wind turbine might be shut down other than it being broken, such as the power demand may be lower than the output capabaility of the wind farm, it may be shut down for scheduled maintenance, it may be shut down to balance the power to the power inverters/converters that combine the turbines outputs into one, usable power stream.
4. It does work. In the period betyween July 2011 and July 2012, thew U.S produced more than 4.7 Giga watts of wind turbine power. In case you don't  know that is more than 4,700 Mega watts. That is enough energy to supply 11,000,000 households. Yes that is more energy than it took to make them.

The folks I spoke with are on the repair crew for those w/mills......THEY WOULD KNOW!
The state/SCE will take all the 'juice' it can. The mills are broke and many of the companies that made them have shut down/closed.
Many of the outfits rec'd mega $$$ from Uncle 'Sugar'. So your wrong there also.
W/mills shut down for a reason ,sure......THEY ARE BROKEN.
Solar panels make more 'juice' in their life than a 'mill' will, and takes less energy to make. Panels work every day, mills don't.
Also, panels don't kill the birds that the mills do either.
Bottom line, is that this country needs to start drill'n for it's oil now!
Remenber, Earth first.......We'll drill the rest of the universe later  
BTW, there are diesel cars that get over 65mpg and they can't be sold in the USA. Ford has some.......
LG

[Shotgun Franklin]

There's a big cost in the transport of energy. Why not put turbines in and around big cities where the people are? Stick'm on tops of buildings. It's the same ol' crap. A few people in the country will make money but the rest of us get stuck with the things all over the place.

[Mogorilla]

I work for a company that manages the National Renewable Energy Lab in Colorado.  They have the Zero building.
I know 10 Ceramic engineers that work for Ford and Chevy.  When the worst was thought for the car companies, they got raises.
They all have loads of ceramic patents to their name.
Call it conspiracy, but Japan was developing a ceramic engine.  Weighed less than 200 lbs.   Very efficient.   This was in 91, can remember the what magazine carried the article.  Want to say popular mechanics, but could have easily been Chemical and Engineering news.  Only two I had a subscription to at that point.  Anyway, shortly afte US and Japan car companies got real cozy.  The 10 CEs I know will all say they are paid well to keep their mouths shut.  Detroit does not want to retool an entire process to save energy or make cars more efficient. Why when they are back to making money.

[Lumpy Grits]

I worked with a company in Torrance, Ca. in the late 60's that was get'n 50mpg(confirmed via AAA/USAC)with Nissian diesels that we put into small Dodge's etc.
NODAMNBODY cared..........Least of all, did Ca.
They didn't want to lose the tax base!
LG

[Bugscuffle]

When I lived up in Alaska I had a diesel Volkswagon Rabbit. I got abit 45 miles to the gallon. Sales were not too good on these cars, but I liked mine.

Why don't they put the windmills closer to the people? Because they need to put them where the wind is, not where the people are.

Ceramic engines are a good idea that is quite impractical. Ceramic is a great material for car engines, but manufacturing is too expensive. Who is going to buy a $150,000 compact car? Engine tolerances are so close that only one in five casts are usable for engines. What do you do with a rejected cast? You throw it away because they are first molded and then fired and you can't un-bake a cake.

I am not wrong about the source of the funding to companies running or wanting to run wind farms. Those dollars are allocated to a fund that provides money to research and development of green energy. And, for that matter, plenty of money (too much?) goes to solar panel research and development. The moneyn fo0r those farms and the solar panel manufacturers is already spent. It's just a matter of which one gets the cash.

I still haven't seen a single fact or figure to support any of the allegations that I see posted. I only see "this guy I know" or "there are a lot",  "someone once said" or something of this sort.

[GunClick Rick]

Been workin on it since the 70s,should of been there already... Of course if it works why fix it.

[Lumpy Grits]

I still haven't seen a single fact or figure to support any of the allegations that I see posted. I only see "this guy I know" or "there are a lot",  "someone once said" or something of this sort.

Like WHAT........You throw stuff out there like a shotgun.
W/mills are one of the least 'green' going, because of their built/transport(Railroad, and truck),set-up, repair, and maintenance costs.
What's it cost to maintain a solar panel? NADA, that's what. I have had them for over ten yrs.
The info I gave came from folks who have worked those 'farms' and been doing the repairs for many years, as in 'hands-on'......

LG

[GunClick Rick]

LOOKOUT!!!!! pbpbpbpbpbpbpb,EEEWWWW.that bug just got scuffled in a windmill!! What a mess!!

[Blair]

Just what does any of this have to to with CAS/WAS?