Taylor Arms 45 Schofield Accuracy

[Crazeyiven]

I have a Taylor Arms Schofield in 45 with which I am having a problem.

My first rounds were Black Hills 45 Schofield and 45 Colt.  Both loads splattered lead when fired.

My next rounds were reloads.  Used the 230 gr 45 acp bullet @ 454 and 5.0 gr of tight group.  Accuracy was excellent, except, no matter what I do, the groups are always 2-3 inches left of point of aim, even from sand bags.

Just read an article in one of gun mags where someone was testing a russan model in 45 and the author noted that "no matter what I did all shots were 2-3 inches to the left of aim."

Is this a common problem?  Anyone else have the issue?  Solutions? Thoughts?

Thanks,
David

[Danny Bear Claw]

I'm assuming it's a Uberti made gun.  I got mine from Navy Arms.  It shoots dead on for windage but about an inch high at twenty yards with either Schofield ammo or 45 Colt ammo.  Mine actually shoots the Schofield ammo a little more accurately than the Colt fodder, despite having to travel a little farther to reach the forcing cone.   

[ammodave]

My Uberti Schofield shoots pretty close to point of aim so I have no firsthand knowledge to pass on.  If the gun is new, you might want to send it back to Taylor and let them make it right.  Otherwise, checkout this thread for possible solutions:
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,25387.0.html

[Crazeyiven]

Thanks for you responses.

Checked the link.  Nothing obvious.  My rear sight lines up with the groove & the groove appears to be ok too.

May try the shim on the side of the front sight.

Thanks again for your time.

David

[Abominable Bill]

I just picked up a pair of Uberti Russians in .45LC.
I found the sights took me some getting used to.
I was using a 200gr. RNFP .452 Badman bullet in front of a load of FFG APP
Mine were right on at CAS distance
If I remember correctly, heavier bullets will hit higher than lighter ones
I would try a few various loads and see what you can end up with for results

[Pettifogger]

These are non-adjustable sight revolvers with the front site on a barrel that moves separate from the rear site, which is mounted on the frame.  Sort of the nature of the beast.  2" to 3" at what distance?  These aren't target guns so if you are close at ten yards then YeeHaa.  As noted, you can change bullet weights and powder charges to change elevation.  The rear sights are fixed.  What some people did in the old days was have an offset front site made since the front is pinned and can be removed.  If it's not to far off you can also just tap the front sight and bend it a LITTLE.  Won't be noticeable and will correct minor site alignment problems.

[Pitspitr]

My Uberti Schofield Cavalry model was a real lemon out of the box (see the "Problem with Uberti Schofiled .45LC" thread) , but I finally have it working well. Out of the box it hit low and a long way left. I filed the front sight, then opened the rear sight with a file on one side. Still a long way left. I finally got pi$$ed of and bent the front sight with a pair of pliers. Now the front sight leans at about a 45 degree angle and looks like hell, but at least it hits where it's supposed to.

[Irish Dave]

The width and position of the trigger on the S&W clones are such that proper trigger technique is equally (if not more) important than on any other old-style pistol. If the trigger pull is heavy or rough and you're a right-handed shooter, it's very easy to pull the revolver 2-3" left if technique isn't exact.

I'd try the pistol in a ransom rest or some other mechanical rest first before trying to remake the sighting system. If it's closer to POA, then the problem is likely trigger technique or work needs to be done to lighten or at least smooth up the pull.

If it's still off, I'd send it back.

I have a pair of Russians and both have been dead on windage-wise right out of the box.

[Abominable Bill]

My Uberti Schofield Cavalry model was a real lemon out of the box (see the "Problem with Uberti Schofiled .45LC" thread) , but I finally have it working well. Out of the box it hit low and a long way left. I filed the front sight, then opened the rear sight with a file on one side. Still a long way left. I finally got pi$$ed of and bent the front sight with a pair of pliers. Now the front sight leans at about a 45 degree angle and looks like hell, but at least it hits where it's supposed to.

My understanding is that there were original S&W's with the same problem  and their issue was resolved in a similar manner

[Crazeyiven]

Before adding more information, I Want to first thank everyone for your time & input.

My first loads were 45 S&W, Black Hills factory, smokless, 230 gr RNFP. Shot 2 boxes. All of them spit lead bad.  Decided to reload with 230 gr (RN) cast (from TW) acp bullets sized .454. Loaded up six. The lead spitting went away. Do not remember what I powder I used. Shot at bowling pins at 25 yards. Did not hit any but the lead spitting was gone.

I reloaded one of the boxes, all with the bullet noted above.  I used four different powders (12 each + 2 extra for unique) which included: unique; tight group; trail boss; HP 38. I took these to the local state range, set the target at 7 yards, used one of their pistol rests and some of my sand bags and began to shoot. I expected unique to win out as I have really good luck with it in 38-40, 44-40, 44 colt and 44 spec. However, althought generally the groups were pretty good with all the powders, tight group was exceptional.  They all grouped in a bit less that 2". The verticals varied which I was not too concerned with.  Figured once I found the load, I could play with it and adjust verical.  However, the center of all the groups were off that 2-3 inches. Tried a dozen 45 Colt cases, same bullet and tight group adjusted for 45 colt.  About the same.

Currently I have another box loaded.  Have are lyman 240 gr (tw) RNFP, the other half the same bullet as above. Waiting on weather to try them out.

Also, a friend of mine were talking about and looking at it the other day.  He made an interesting suggestion.  I generally center the front sight in the center of the rear sight, witl light on both sides.  His suggestion was to put all the light on the left side, none on the right.  It might be enough to pull it back to center.

Thanks again for everone's input.  Look forward for any comments on this.  Oh, one other thing.  I do shoot right handed (pistol) left handed rifle.

David

[Virginia Gentleman]

Thankfully, both of mine hit to the point of aim.