2012 World Championship

Border Ruffian · July 06, 2012, 02:27:15 PM

Good news for me! After 2 years of work getting in the way, looks like i'll be attending the AZSA 2012 World Championship. My stepson and I will shoot and my spouse will watch. We're very excited and starting to gather the necessary gear. We have everything it's just a matter of getting organized.

Where in Colorado is the match being held and what is the weather usually like at the end of August ?

Does anyone have any information on hotels/motels nearby?

Any match info or tips would be appreciated.

TIA,

Kevin

DeaconKC · July 06, 2012, 07:47:39 PM

Congrats! Wish I could make it. Shoot well!

Bat 2919 · July 07, 2012, 12:23:30 PM

Here's the basic info on the match. I'll get a link to a registration form posted as soon as we get one up on the web.

First Precinct 2012 AZSA World Championship Match Information.

Map and Accommodations information can be found at:

www.sandcreekraiders.com

Match fee:
1st Shooter $50
Additional shooters: $25

Approximate Round Count:

Rifle/Pistol/Shotgun: R200/P175/S75
Rifle/Pistol: R250/P175
Pistol Only: P450

Friday Aug. 31st

Noon: Check in / Registration open

1PM: Long range and Belly gun side matches
Ranges available for shooter tune up
No Main Match capers.

Long Range rifle events:

Bolt Action
Semi Auto
Lever/Pump Action
Carbine (semi auto/pump/lever. pistol or straight wall rifle case)

Belly Gun events:

Vest Pocket Pistol (Less than .30 caliber and smaller than 5 Inches)
Snubbie (2" or less barrel length revolver, .30 caliber or larger)
Pocket Auto (.30 caliber or larger, must fit in a Marsh Wheeling cigar box)
Saturday Sept. 1st

8 AM: Check in / Registration open
9 AM: Shooters meeting
9:30 - 3 PM

4 Main Match Capers
3 Main Match gun (rifle, pistol & shotgun) Speed Events

We May also do something social Saturday evening on the range or in Byers.

Sunday Sept. 2nd
9 AM 3 Main Match Capers (no speed events)
1:30 PM Awards / Prizes

G Man AZSA #11

Border Ruffian · July 07, 2012, 04:02:00 PM

Excellent info, thank you very much!

Border Ruffian · July 07, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: DeaconKC on July 06, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
Congrats! Wish I could make it. Shoot well!

Thanks, I wish we could meet there.

Pitspitr · July 07, 2012, 10:41:02 PM

I'm planning on being there!

Pitspitr AZSA Life #15

Border Ruffian · July 08, 2012, 10:07:23 AM

Quote from: Pitspitr on July 07, 2012, 10:41:02 PM
I'm planning on being there!

Pitspitr AZSA Life #16

Great! Look for a stocky guy with a Thompson, a flapper girl friend, and a youn hood and that will be us.

"The Enforcer" AZSA #55

Pitspitr · July 08, 2012, 10:25:06 AM

Quote from: Border Ruffian on July 08, 2012, 10:07:23 AM
Great! Look for a ... guy with a Thompson,

Won't that describe a lot of us?

Pitspitr · July 08, 2012, 10:30:38 AM

Bat,
Please describe the long range events for those of us who haven't been to Byers before. Is it a paper match or steel? I'm wondering if I bring my Krag if I should bring lead or jacketed bullets.

Bat 2919 · July 08, 2012, 06:39:54 PM

Quote from: Pitspitr on July 08, 2012, 10:30:38 AM
Bat,
Please describe the long range events for those of us who haven't been to Byers before. Is it a paper match or steel? I'm wondering if I bring my Krag if I should bring lead or jacketed bullets.

The long range events will be run by Frank Hamer AZSA #64 (I think) SASS shooters may know him as Dutch Al. He hasn't shared his final plans with me but we have talked about using the silhouette range. I would expect the bolt gun matches to be a little longer range, and semi autos levers and pumps to be a bit closer. We also talked about using even closer or bigger (or both) targets for the carbines.

We have AR500 steel targets so you and use FMJ rounds if you like. By all means bring the Krag, I came in 2nd (my son John Smith AZSA #12 came in 1st) in a shoot off last year with a burrowed 1903 (Hustler's) shooting surplus ammo.

The Colorado Rifle Club (where we shoot) also has a 1000 yard range with pits but I don't think he will be using that range for this match.

G Man

Pitspitr · July 09, 2012, 06:54:10 AM

Quote from: Bat 2919 on July 08, 2012, 06:39:54 PMWe have AR500 steel targets so you and use FMJ rounds if you like.

And that includes .45 FMJ hardball in the main match?

Bat 2919 · July 09, 2012, 08:41:22 AM

FMJ ammo is OK in the main match as well.

Border Ruffian · July 18, 2012, 06:58:40 AM

Bat 2919,

Is 30 Carbine factory FMJ good for the main match? My son has an M1 Carbine he wants to use. My concern is about the velocity.

Thanks in advance!

Bat 2919 · July 19, 2012, 09:04:31 AM

Enforcer,

The quick answer to your question is sorry but no, the 1400fps minimum stands. We knew this question would come up when the dates were changed to 1949 and then the caliber was reduced to .30 to allow the 30 Mauser in the Broomhandle.

We (AZSA) have had more questions about this same subject in the last month than I can count. Let me see if I can put this subject to rest for everyone right now. An M1 Carbine shooting factory 110 Gr. FMJ Ball round has a listed velocity of 1990pfs. The average steel target placement in a main match caper on our range (CRC) for long guns is about 15 yards. I'm sorry but even if the steel will take that I don't want to be standing that close to the steel (well copper) rain all day. The last thing we want is for someone to get hurt. The topic of the proper combination of bullet weight and spring rate has been the topic of some lively discussions around here and I suspect that it's only a matter of time before some enterprising mug solves the problem of getting a M1 Carbine to function below 1400fps. Let the arms race begin

Thanks
G Man

Border Ruffian · July 19, 2012, 04:05:59 PM

Quote from: Bat 2919 on July 19, 2012, 09:04:31 AM
Enforcer,

The quick answer to your question is sorry but no, the 1400fps minimum stands. We knew this question would come up when the dates were changed to 1949 and then the caliber was reduced to .30 to allow the 30 Mauser in the Broomhandle.

We (AZSA) have had more questions about this same subject in the last month than I can count. Let me see if I can put this subject to rest for everyone right now. An M1 Carbine shooting factory 110 Gr. FMJ Ball round has a listed velocity of 1990pfs. The average steel target placement in a main match caper on our range (CRC) for long guns is about 15 yards. I'm sorry but even if the steel will take that I don't want to be standing that close to the steel (well copper) rain all day. The last thing we want is for someone to get hurt. The topic of the proper combination of bullet weight and spring rate has been the topic of some lively discussions around here and I suspect that it's only a matter of time before some enterprising mug solves the problem of getting a M1 Carbine to function below 1400fps. Let the arms race begin

Thanks
G Man

Thanks Bat, I had suspected that the 30 Carbine was too fast. We'll go with the Thompsons instead!

1961MJS · July 20, 2012, 02:58:28 PM

Hi

Isn't a .30 Carbine the wrong (next) era for Zoot Shooters anyway?

Mike
Moore OK

Border Ruffian · July 20, 2012, 05:04:44 PM

Quote from: 1961MJS on July 20, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
Hi

Isn't a .30 Carbine the wrong (next) era for Zoot Shooters anyway?

Mike
Moore OK

Actually the time period is from about 1920 to 1950.

Bat 2919 · July 24, 2012, 11:22:59 PM

The match flyer / registration form is now posted on the AZSA web site. The time has come to get that registration filled out and sent in.

http://www.zootshooters.com/2012-world-championship

G Man

Pitspitr · July 28, 2012, 09:29:52 AM

I see that additional family members are discounted. I'm wanting to send in my registration, but I don't know yet if my son will be able to attend. Should I go ahead and send in mine then send in his if he can come and pay the discounted rate or should I wait and send them all later?

Bat 2919 · July 31, 2012, 09:15:17 AM

The discounted rate is available any time. If you want to send in your registration now and pay the discounted rate for another family member later thats no problem.

G Man