Another BP dealer gone...

Coyote Hunter · May 17, 2012, 11:06:01 PM

One of the gun stores here in Kentucky, Aces Guns in Hawesville KY was my major supplier for Goex BP. Up until last October I could still get 2 or 3FG for about $20.00 a pound. He said he didn;t make any money on it, but carried it for the reenactors and for folks like me who like BP over pyrodex. (I load cartridges with it also.) He said after all these years, the inspector came in and did his check of the paperwork. They were one pound off in the figures. He said they hadn't "lost" a pound, but found it in a clerical error where a number was one off. He showed them the mistake, and it in fact was accounted for, there was no slight of hand. He said they had to do three days of paperwork and still pay a fine, so he said they can stuff their permit, he was done with the headaches.

I found another supplier that wants twice as much for a pound can. I guess I didn't know I had it so good and should have bought more stock. I'm down to my last half can of 2F.

Chaulk another up to our grand old gov't.

hellgate · May 17, 2012, 11:33:39 PM

I'd try to find out who the SOB inspector's supervisor is and see if the the gun store could explain everything that went on and then ask why do they need this guy as an inspector when he has even less things to inspect and no more revenue from your annual license to the department. In other words, he is no longer needed. Write your congressman (assuming he/she is not a Democrat) and explain the same thing. It might rattle a cage or two.

WaddWatsonEllis · May 18, 2012, 02:54:09 AM

In this day of paying for more and larger government (and less taxable income), one notices quotas for everyone from the Highway Patrol (a 'fix-it' ticket now costs $25 [or more] in CA ... ); I would think that inspectors are under tremendous pressure to collect as many fines as possible.

And if the inspector's boss has any govt management skills, he would act horrified that such travesty happened as long as the complainant was in the office, and then would shake the inspector's hand at the fine job he had done collecting fines to keep his department employed .... and of course the shake would be behind closed doors ...

Just my $0.02...

TTFN,

Cliff Fendley · May 18, 2012, 06:37:01 AM

The problem they create in a case like this is that now they won't have any revenue because he cancelled his license. The old saying "you can shear a sheep over and over but only skin him once".

Now they will have less revenue and hurt everyone that shopped there also.

john boy · May 18, 2012, 08:22:54 AM

Folks, let's face facts. OSHA & Dept of Transportation have deemed black powder to be an explosive and have set in place regulations to OVER control the powder. Then insurance companies have increased policy rates because of BP being an explosive.

We are lucky to have as many BP retailers as we do presently. If any of you remember the 2007 proposed OSHA 'Explosive' regulation that IMHO the anti's instigated ... we would be out of business shooting black powder and being able to buy primers ... a means to 'kiss your guns goodby'

NRA ILA totally missed this 2007 proposed OSHA regulation. A grass roots campaign of us shooters was initiated with over 7000 replies to it and intervention support from gun friendly politicians that stopped OSHA in their tracks in Sep 2007. OSHA hasn't proposed the regulation again since then. But the more eyes on the Federal Register - the safer we'll be to thwart the proposal again

Fairshake · May 24, 2012, 07:37:17 AM

Coyote Hunter, I have lived in the area of Baton Rouge, La. for most of my life and in the fifties we had one large gun store. By the seventies we had 4 and you could purchase black powder from two of them.
The bigger the city became we lost our gun stores because of the huge chain stores coming in and closing the mom and pop stores.
The problem was that the huge chain stores took a stance against the real black powder because of all the false information that was put out by people who had never even fired a single shot of real black powder.
We have grown to over 1 million and still must buy from people like Jerry's, Graf's, Back Creek in Va., Jacks Powder Keg and others.
This is good that we still have a way to buy it but it adds almost $40 or more dollars to each sale.
The days of walk in stores has gone the way of 5 cent phone calls and nickel candy bars.
Those that live near a stocking dealer are very lucky.

CaptainquickDraw · May 28, 2012, 03:46:53 PM

Quote from: Coyote Hunter on May 17, 2012, 11:06:01 PM

I found another supplier that wants twice as much for a pound can. I guess I didn't know I had it so good and should have bought more stock. I'm down to my last half can of 2F.

Well there is still Powder Valley Inc. Order it online, up to 25 pounds at a time, when you buy it in bulk it will bring the price down to around 11 Bucks a pound. But, I don't have $270 of disposable cash just laying around for 25 Lb, but if I did...
Just sayin.

Cap

Cliff Fendley · May 28, 2012, 04:05:27 PM

Quote from: CaptainquickDraw on May 28, 2012, 03:46:53 PM
Well there is still Powder Valley Inc. Order it online, up to 25 pounds at a time, when you buy it in bulk it will bring the price down to around 11 Bucks a pound. But, I don't have $270 of disposable cash just laying around for 25 Lb, but if I did...
Just sayin.

Cap

Powder Inc for black powder. Powder Valley for smokeless.

Drayton Calhoun · May 28, 2012, 10:49:39 PM

The way I see it is like this, tobacco, taxed to an obscene level...luxury, alcohol taxed to an obscene level...luxury, gasoline taxed to a totally riduculous level...luxury?!?!?!?! No, they know they have a captive financial income on top of income tax, firearms, powder and primers are the same. They figure they will "Stamp out all the 'bad' things and we will have a perfect society". No, they are just soaking up every red cent they can out of us until they eventually kill the goose that laid the golden egg...in a word GREED.

ZVP · June 07, 2012, 04:40:46 PM

I lost my local source for Pyrodex, Caps and Balls ! No real BP around Modesto Ca!
He has converted over to an all Semi Auto rifle and pistol business! It seems the populatity of Three Gun has overtaken all his intrest in carrying ANY BP supplies.
Follow the money they say and that's what he did!
CAS and BP shooting is apparentlly on the downhill slide in these parts, TV too!
Darn-it, just when I got REALLY into my Single Actions and BP too!
ZVP

Buzzard II · January 27, 2013, 07:35:50 PM

Reminds me of a childs story I heard a long time ago "The Goose that laid the golden egg". Big government has to feed itself, so we get beat up. Weak Dog in the Whitehouse wants more! Anyway, I buy in quantity from Back Creek gun shop in Winchester, Va when I'm shooting at the fort. Mail order from Powder Inc. Both real nice to deal with! Both blackpowder dealers.
Bob

Lumpy Grits · January 28, 2013, 12:36:20 AM

If you want BP, just call Powder Inc and have it delivered to your home for about $14.90 @ LB.
http://www.powderinc.com/
LG

fourfingersofdeath · January 28, 2013, 02:12:16 AM

Our rules for blackpowder make the store store it so far away from smokless that generally the shop aren't big enough, so they don't sell it. I have to drive to Sydney, about 150miles away to buy mine. My BP specialist gunsmith sells it, but he is 92 (not looking good for long term supply, lol). I think one or two of the big shops sell it. I must check it out.

One thing about Australia, you could only ever get one brand at a time. Wano is the only sort available over the past few years.

At the moment the Government, mainly through it's Work Practices branch, Workcover seem to be busting a gut trying to take away all licenses where they can. The carrier that used to cart smokless powder has been unable to operate as their license was revoked. The sales reps were then delivering it to the shops,but that got knocked on the head, so supplies are drying up fast. I don't know where we go from here.

Judge Lead · January 28, 2013, 05:07:13 PM

Four Fingers,
try Sodie via the CASS site.
It is WANO, but he is able to get supplies.

Is Martin 92 ?. No wonder we don't hear much from him these days.

Steve

fourfingersofdeath · January 28, 2013, 09:44:16 PM

What I don't get off Martin I get off Sodie.

I might be putting Martin's weights up,but I'm sure he told me he was 91 a year or so ago. If he's not,he wouldn't be far off it.

He does nice work, put a set of Pedersoli open sights on my H&R Trapdoor, beautiful job.

brazosdave · February 08, 2013, 02:47:53 PM

Gentlemen, there is always the option of making your own b.p...............

hellgate · February 08, 2013, 06:56:42 PM

Brazos Dave,

Here is a thread of at least FORTY PAGES on making your own BP. It's gone on for a long time and keeps getting added to:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?103852-My-homemade-black-powder

Wolfgang · February 08, 2013, 08:52:07 PM

Need Black powder ? . . . no problem . . . Powder Inc. 5 lbs to your door easy and quick. No Problems

Fairshake · February 23, 2013, 08:41:08 AM

I have found that my First supply source is Jack's Powderr Keg in Marksville, La. the owner is a very dear friend. He is a Goex Distributor.
If I need another brand like Swiss or KiK then I use the Powder Inc. source. Graf's is also a good place to deal with as they will ship any amount you need. Just keep in mind that the more you purchase the better that $27.50 Haz-Mat fee goes around. Also remember that the posted prices on the Powder Inc. site include the Haz-Mat charges already.
Get with some other BP shooters and buy a case which really lowers the price. Later David

Mean Bob Mean · February 24, 2013, 12:05:10 AM

"Folks, let's face facts. OSHA & Dept of Transportation have deemed black powder to be an explosive and have set in place regulations to OVER control the powder. Then insurance companies have increased policy rates because of BP being an explosive."

No, black powder is an explosive, OSHA did not have to do anything for this to be a fact. It is the ingredient of choice for pipe bombers. Ask any law enforcement investigator (criminalist, of which I am one).

I would speculate that any push from the top down to hammer anyone and everyone over any BP discrepancy was originally generated by anti terrorist fears-regardless of who is doing the inspecting.