Blackpowder History

Started by Sir Charles deMouton-Black, January 15, 2012, 08:24:34 PM

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Sir Charles deMouton-Black

Did you really think that the Chinese invented blackpowder?  Do you need instruction on building a replica "Hand Gonne".  This, and more, from Ulrich Bretscher of Switzerland.

http://www.musketeer.ch/blackpowder/history.html
NCOWS #1154, SCORRS, STORM, BROW, 1860 Henry, Dirty Rat 502, CHINOOK COUNTRY
THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS)
Those who are no longer ignorant of History may relive it,
without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Steel Horse Bailey

Fascinating report, Sir Chas!

I got a kick from the part where he says that if typed and combined together, all the "recipes" would be about 6 pages long.  And one of the very first is VERY close to a near perfect modern mix.

So many folks think that only modern thinkers and inventors can make anything of value!
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Sir Charles deMouton-Black

SHB;  There is a reason I tried to post this in the Dark Arts, in that is the best essay on the early history of true gunpowder. 

Soot Lords, there will be a test ;D
NCOWS #1154, SCORRS, STORM, BROW, 1860 Henry, Dirty Rat 502, CHINOOK COUNTRY
THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS)
Those who are no longer ignorant of History may relive it,
without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Steel Horse Bailey

Quote from: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on January 18, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
SHB;  There is a reason I tried to post this in the Dark Arts, in that is the best essay on the early history of true gunpowder. 

Soot Lords, there will be a test ;D

Oh, goody.

Back to midnight cramming sessions to pass the finals.

:o

;)
"May Your Powder always be Dry and Black; Your Smoke always White; and Your Flames Always Light the Way to Eternal Shooting Fulfillment !"

TwoWalks Baldridge

Quote from: Steel Horse Bailey on January 18, 2012, 03:36:54 PM
Oh, goody.

Back to midnight cramming sessions to pass the finals.

:o

;)

Hah, the only thing I ever crammed before finals was Pizza ... with my grade point average, it did not take much study to maintain.

This is great and fun information.
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Steel Horse Bailey

Quote from: TwoWalks Baldridge on January 20, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
Hah, the only thing I ever crammed before finals was Pizza ... with my grade point average, it did not take much study to maintain.

This is great and fun information.


Uh, me too, it seems!    ::)

;)
"May Your Powder always be Dry and Black; Your Smoke always White; and Your Flames Always Light the Way to Eternal Shooting Fulfillment !"

Driftwood Johnson

QuoteAnd one of the very first is VERY close to a near perfect modern mix.

Howdy

I have an old textbook written by Tenny L Davis about the chemistry of explosives published in 1943. He goes into quite a lot of detail about some of the early ratios of saltpeter, sulfur and charcoal. He goes back before Roger Bacon to the 8th Century AD and a guy named Marcus Graceus, who wrote down the formulas for Black Powder and Greek Fire.

A mixture very close to the present ratio of the components was published in 1560.

Davis says "It is a remarkable fact, and one which indicates that the improvements in black powder have been largely in the methods of manufacture, that the last three of these formulas (1560, 1635, and 1781)correspond very closely to the composition of all the potassium nitrate black powder for military and sporting purposes which is used today.

By the way, Tenny also credits an Arabian physician named Mesue in the 9th Century with documenting a lot of the early experimental work with Black Powder. 
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We have more technology and stored knowledge to draw from but IMO our forefathers were pretty smart people. Think about the first guy to squat next to a pile of twigs and beat two rocks together to make fire or the guy or gal who figured out how to mix some stuff
to make bread dough that then had to be baked. They were not dummies by any stretch of the imagination. All modern knowledge is based on those the thinking of who long ago figured out the really hard basics.
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Sir Charles deMouton-Black


If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.

Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke, February 5, 1675
NCOWS #1154, SCORRS, STORM, BROW, 1860 Henry, Dirty Rat 502, CHINOOK COUNTRY
THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS)
Those who are no longer ignorant of History may relive it,
without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Steel Horse Bailey

Quote from: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on January 21, 2012, 11:30:26 AM
If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.

Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke, February 5, 1675



Well said, Sir Chas!

... and Sir Isaac Newton, of course!  I had heard that before, but I never knew who said it. 


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