Uberti Remington NMA Conversion .45 cal. & BP cartridges & CAS

[Long Johns Wolf]

Howdy to the campfire: does any of you pards or pardettes own one of these gated conversions made by Uberti, and shoot it with the holy black in the cartridges?
Can you shoot 6 stages of CAS without cleaning and/or lubricating the cylinder pin?
Do their cylinders have some kind of "gas ring", cylinder bushing or other means, to protect the cylinder pin from BP fouling, or do the cylinders have the same "plane" front side as their C&B brethren?
Thanks Long Johns Wolf

[Cuts Crooked]

Come on gang!!! Surely some of you have experiance with the gun he's asking about?

[Long Johns Wolf]

It seems that these Uberti made Remington conversions are a rare breed on both sides of the Atlantic.
Thanks to the foresight of Uberti importer HEGE here I had the chance to disassemble and inspect one of the Remington NMA conversions in .45 Colt and one in .38 Special.
Man they are heavy pieces and they are beefed up. The front surface of the cylinders is as flat as their C&B brethren and they have the same kind of cylinder pin.
This is an indication that they are likely as prone to BP fouling as the percussion version.
2 other observations: dove tailed front sight and conversion ring mounted firing pin!
Long Johns Wolf

[The Swede]

I have a Taylor's (Uberti) Remington NMA Conversion in .44-40. I shoot mainly BP loads through her. There is no gas ring on this revolver. It is subject to fouling. I keep a small oiler from a sewing machine filled with Ballistol. It has a long brass needle like extension, and I put a few drops of the oil on the base pin between stages. No disassembly, just a few drops between the cylinder, and frame. Works...

Probably not the solution your are looking for, but it takes no extra effort to do. The revolver shoots very well, and is one of my favorites.

Swede

[Long Johns Wolf]

Thanks Swede for this suggestion. These drops of Ballistol between stages on the cylindre pin should do the trick also on my colt-type gunsmith & remington conversions without gasring or bushing.
Long Johns Wolf

[Wagon Box Willy]

Depending on the manufacturing tolerances of your particular gun and the weather and brand of powder, you may need more than a drop.  I can tell you that my NMA with R&D all greased up gets tight by the 5th round with a full load of GOEX.  By tight I mean that the hammer gets difficult to pull back.

Willy

[rbertalotto]

If you use "Cowboy45 Special" brass and Big Lube SLIM45 bullets, you can shoot all day without fouling issues.......

Half the powder, half the recoil. 170g bullets that will stabilize in the 1-30 twist barrels of the C&B.........No brainer!

[Wagon Box Willy]

But where's the fun if you don't get ur knuckles smacked by the trigger guard

Willy

[Long Johns Wolf]

Thanks for the feedback. I tested the .45 Colt version in the meantime with 6 strings of 5 rounds of smokeless behind 200 grainers: my regular CAS fodder) and 6 strings of 5 rounds of the Holy Black behind 250 grainers in a CAS set-up.
In a nutshell: both loads produce about the same accuracy and the same POI using a center hold.
As expected the gun will shoot all week with the nitro loads.
With BP cartridges the piece became difficult to cock from the 3rd string on. This was dealt with with a shot of WD-40 to the front side of the cylinder. Which made the pistol functional enough for the next string. Then the same WD-40 treatment, etc. til the 6 strings were completed.
Bullets used were regular commercial prelubed bullets, no bullets specifically designed for BP loads, no large lube groove. The lube applied was not BP but "universal" meaning smokeless lube.
This test indicates that this Uberti NMA conversion in .45 Colt can be used with BP bullets in CAS if some additional lubrication is applied between the stages. That is the good news.
Now the bad news: the gap between conversion ring and breech side of the cylinder is almost non existent. The chambers are recessed (right term?) for the rims of the cartridges. The loading table RO will not like this revolver because he has difficulties to access if the hammer rests on an empty chamber.
Lomg Johns Wolf

[rbertalotto]

If you really want to get into the "spray it than shoot it " game, you need to stay away from the WD40.  WD40 is the devils own urine. Turns guns purple....evaporates and leaves gum behind....It's a "rust remover" and bluing is nothing but a type of rust.

You want "Moose Milk".......Ballistol mixed with a bit or water. Or simple Ballistol straight out of the spray can. I recently discovered this stuff and I don't know how I've lived this long without it.

I used to spray my guns with PAM cooking spray before a long string. Works great! But Ballistol works even better. Unbelievable how easy it is to clean up after a match.

Rule of thumb for any lubricant used with BP........if you can drink it and it won't kill you, you're good to go! BP and the various petro based lubricants can get very nasty. Many turn BP residue into gum or extremely hard caking matter..........

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

But where's the fun if you don't get ur knuckles smacked by the trigger guard

Willy

Bottom Dealing Mike shows how to alter the grip to reduce knuckle bashing is his video about the NMA belly gun.  I think I will do it on my Pietta.

[Long Johns Wolf]

WBW: although I used pretty hot BP loads producing a V5 of 840 fps (!) average this Remmie is not a knuckle buster like its brother from the Uberti C&B department.
Why? because this "conversion" look alike of Uberti is beefed up pretty much and significantly heavier than their C&B version in .44.
In addition this means a much larger frame. The distance from the grip to the trigger guard is wider than on its C&B brother and the grip is fatter, too. If you get your knuckels smacked by the C&B Remmie like I do, this will not be the case with the conversion.
For comparison top Remmie is the Uberti Conversion in .45 Colt, bottom gun is my "factory" conversion in .44 Colt made from a 1971 Uberti. The top one is biiig.
Long Johns Wolf

[Long Johns Wolf]

Regarding WD-40: it appears that the formula sold over here in Germany is different from the one in the USA.
The "German" formula does not affect the bluing.
Long Johns Wolf

[Major 2]

Regarding WD-40: it appears that the formula sold over here in Germany is different from the one in the USA.
The "German" formula does not affect the bluing.
Long Johns Wolf

I have to say... " WD-40 affects the bluing ...Turns guns purple " was news to me...
I've used it probably 40 + years....

I have one of the Uberti Forged Frame gated Conversions in 45, I have use Black Hills Factory loads, mostly.
As you said "  As expected the gun will shoot all week with these nitro loads."

I have used Black Dawg, and as matter of course between each of the stages, I popped the Cyl. out and wipe the pin, Cyl. and barrel face.
So in truth, I never ran it just to see how long it would run, with BP.

Sorry not much help , I guess