.44 Remington Cartridge

w.b. masterson · January 04, 2012, 09:57:24 PM

One of my relatives had an old 1875 Remington. My older brother shot it with .44 Russian cartridges, but the 1875's weren't chambered in .44 Russian; only .44 WCF, .44 Remington, and a few in .45 Colt. Will a .44 Russian cartridge go into a firearm chambered for a .44 Remington? I've never seen an actual .44 Remington cartridge to know.

Trailrider · January 05, 2012, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: w.b. masterson on January 04, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
One of my relatives had an old 1875 Remington. My older brother shot it with .44 Russian cartridges, but the 1875's weren't chambered in .44 Russian; only .44 WCF, .44 Remington, and a few in .45 Colt. Will a .44 Russian cartridge go into a firearm chambered for a .44 Remington? I've never seen an actual .44 Remington cartridge to know.

I've checked a lot of references, but cannot find any dimensional data for the ".44 Remington" cartridge. "Cartridges of the World" doesn't have any reference; neither does the late George Nonte's book, "Cartridge Conversions" and several others, including Phil Sharpe's "Handloading Cartridges". What you might do is remove the cylinder, make a chamber cast with CerroSafe and see what comes closest in a known cartridge.

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · January 05, 2012, 06:39:16 PM

I agree on getting a chamber cast. I also suggest slugging the bore.

The .44 Remington seems a bit elusive. I believe that both the original .44 Colt and the .44 Reminton were proprietary versions of the original.44 Martin. designed by US Ordnance for the Colt Richards and Remington NMA conversions. Others are adamant that they are "different", but I don't know what the differences are. The basic case dimensions, except for rim circumference and length seem the same, and should match the .44 Russian.

Some how or another one could assemble a round from available components that should fit.

Short Knife Johnson · January 07, 2012, 07:48:29 AM

According to Mike Venturino's "Shooting Sixguns of the Old West", nominal bullet diameter of the .44 Rem is .446" to .450". A .44 Colt will only slide in 1/2 way into the chamber of am 1875 Remington in .44 Rem. and will only chamber fully - albeit tightly - if the .44 Colt case is run through a .44 Mag/Spl/Russian. So they are not an interchangable round.

I have no doubt that .44 Russians could be discharged from the 1875 Remington. However, accuracy would be nothing to brag about with the .429" bullet pinballing around the .446" wide barrel.

jplower · February 15, 2012, 08:41:58 PM

The 44 Colt seems like the logical choice for the .446 bore, but and original Colt round will not enter the chamber of a 44 Remington, it's 5 thousands too large. Modern 44 colt rounds made up on 44 special cases will only chamber 7/8ths of the way, being stopped by the chamber shoulder. I suspect the true Remington cartridge used a hollow base bullet. Hank Williams and I could not get that darn gun to shoot!

JP

Jan Buchwald · February 16, 2012, 03:40:39 AM

Can't find an answer for this, but I have had much help from this site: http://www.municion.org/ . I don't speak the language, but can understand enough to use the drawings

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · February 16, 2012, 11:15:08 AM

Quote from: Jan Buchwald on February 16, 2012, 03:40:39 AM
Can't find an answer for this, but I have had much help from this site: http://www.municion.org/ . I don't speak the language, but can understand enough to use the drawings

I couldn't find anything on the .44 Martin/Colt/Remington.

I did find reference, with photos of a CENTERFIRE .56-50 Spencer, circa 1893. (posted on SSS)

Link now on my favorites!

Jan Buchwald · February 19, 2012, 12:51:59 PM

.44 Remington is listed under 44-40 here http://www.municion.org/ Look under "Fuego central" - " ::.>10 a 11,4 mm/.44" - "44-40". In the list at the red labelled box .44 Remington is mentioned as a trade name

Tuolumne Lawman · February 19, 2012, 02:07:17 PM

According to Venturino, many of the 44-40 1875 Remingtons actually had .44 Remington cylinders bored out to 44-40. This caused excessively large cylinder throats and poor accuracy.

Shotgun Franklin · February 19, 2012, 03:41:04 PM

Someone somewhere has a round of .44 Remington. It's a matter of locating such a round and measuring it.

Fox Creek Kid · February 19, 2012, 04:08:28 PM

These questions have been asked & answered before:

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,18399.0.html

Shotgun Franklin · February 19, 2012, 08:42:39 PM

OK, I may have missed it but, is there currently a case that could be cut down to reproduce a .44 Remington?

Tuolumne Lawman · February 20, 2012, 10:58:13 PM

I would think starline 44 Colt brass could be cut down, resized, and used with a healed bullet/

Shotgun Franklin · February 21, 2012, 07:37:55 PM

I'd think that with the right case, loading a soft lead bullet with a deep hollow base might be easier.
Knowing the case specs would settle that guess.