What will it be?

Slowhand Bob · January 03, 2012, 10:54:05 AM

Naturally this will be a holster but does anyone recognise the old classic from which it springs? This is the inside view as the matching t-nuts for those four skirt holes are on the outside and can not be seen. Do not look to hard as there are several bad spots on the cheap leather, two pieces of 7-8oz, and you can see where a 12oz filler will be installed. Normally I would arrive at this thickness by using 9-10 over a 4-5oz to reduce bunching on the folds. I'll bet we have one regular who will guess it right off!

bedbugbilly · January 04, 2012, 11:58:53 AM

Hmmm . . . looks to me like a spiffy holster for a "hip flask" - always wanted one of those!

Boothill Bob · January 04, 2012, 12:12:46 PM

OHHH, a spanking spoon for your wife

Slowhand Bob · January 04, 2012, 12:36:36 PM

No and no, Doc doesnt allow old Slowhand to indulge any longer and if there is to be any spanking done, well she does the switch weilding!

I folded it and sewed the main seam earlier today, didnt feel like going to the shop yesterday. It is a reproduction of a gun holster that we saw a lot of photos of, not so long ago.

GunClick Rick · January 04, 2012, 03:21:40 PM

1911?

Slowhand Bob · January 04, 2012, 07:10:37 PM

Folded and sewn. Yes this is a copy of a popular old 1911 rig by a famous maker. Not to long ago one of our regulars posted lots of pictures and some info on his original, thinking he was making a new belt to match it. I really liked the Spaghetti Western looks of it and am now trying to see if I can duplicate it to some degree. Even without the metal liner it is very heavy and stiff. The fold line should have room to include a sight track, mimicking the original. I would say that if the track was going to be eliminated I would need to remove nearly an inch of pattern width. Going to give the glue until tomorrow before heavy wet moulding and at this point I am strongly figuring this to be a destruction level experiment. Even if I can get a track pressed in I do not think it would ever stay without the rigid metal to hold it in place.

DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM · January 04, 2012, 08:20:31 PM

Quote from: Slowhand Bob on January 03, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
Naturally this will be a holster but does anyone recognise the old classic from which it springs? This is the inside view as the matching t-nuts for those four skirt holes are on the outside and can not be seen. Do not look to hard as there are several bad spots on the cheap leather, two pieces of 7-8oz, and you can see where a 12oz filler will be installed. Normally I would arrive at this thickness by using 9-10 over a 4-5oz to reduce bunching on the folds. I'll bet we have one regular who will guess it right off!

Looks like my old Bianchi rig I have post pics of here.

Slowhand Bob · January 04, 2012, 09:02:32 PM

Thats it, fell in love with the pictures you posted. I will likely need to leave the sight channel out BUT would rather not due to one of my pistols having target sights. I will try my best to duplicate them "poor man' style before giving up and re-patterning one without the track allowance. Might take a few days to try and come up with a method of pressing the sight track in, until then.

GunClick Rick · January 04, 2012, 10:16:52 PM

KT and others taught me all i know

Got my edgamacation riche "ere"

Go ahade on,ask anare one~~

DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM · January 05, 2012, 12:32:52 AM

Quote from: Slowhand Bob on January 04, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
Thats it, fell in love with the pictures you posted. I will likely need to leave the sight channel out BUT would rather not due to one of my pistols having target sights. I will try my best to duplicate them "poor man' style before giving up and re-patterning one without the track allowance. Might take a few days to try and come up with a method of pressing the sight track in, until then.

Thank you sir.

Quote from: DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM on October 24, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Here's a belt I made last night. Not done yet. Needs some sort of edge coating but I have no clue what to use. And the thigh strap awaiting a 1" center bar roller buckle.
The pouches use two rubber washers and a large Chicago Screw.

The pouches " Bianchi #30" and Holster are all vintage 1978 Bianchi #45H from my old IPSC shooting days.

Thanks TW. The belt came out to 5/16" thick just as planed on to support a 1911 and 100 rounds of 230 grain ball ammo.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/BIANCHI%20AUTO%20DRAW/BELT7.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/BIANCHI%20AUTO%20DRAW/BELT6.jpg

DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM · January 05, 2012, 12:34:40 AM

Slowhand Bob · January 05, 2012, 06:25:38 AM

Thanks for adding the photos, I actually have all of them stored on my hard drive for patterning use. I linked this to the official WB page and one reader has become extremely upset over this holster design, referring to it as an illegal gamer holster. Actually from what I have researched so far it should be legal OR several other popular rigs would have to go. The mag pouches you have with it are not legal according to my information.

Boothill Bob · January 05, 2012, 06:53:38 AM

The holster is not legal for WB, it most cover the barrel all the way.

DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM · January 05, 2012, 06:56:49 AM

Should work for those strange bumps in the night on the back 40 though.

Boothill Bob · January 05, 2012, 07:11:39 AM

To read in Wild Bunch match rules.

Holsters, Cartridge Belts, Magazine Pouches and Bandoliers:
• Holsters and magazine pouches must be of traditional or military design and made from traditional materials. (e.g. canvas or leather)
• Holsters must cover the entire barrel and completely cover the ejection port. No open front speed holsters allowed.
• Holster flaps and straps need NOT be closed during competition.
• No metal or plastic "competition" type equipment allowed.
• No shoulder or cross‐draw may be used during competition.
• Magazine pouches must be worn on the OPPOSITE side of the body from the handgun.
• Magazine pouches must be worn vertically, and may hold either one or two magazines.
• At least 2 inches of the magazine must be covered by the magazine pouch.
• All other SASS regulations pertaining to these items apply

Slowhand Bob · January 05, 2012, 12:52:00 PM

Actually I checked that wording with the Wild Bunch rules guy, Happy Jack, and he agreed with my interpretation. It was settled early on that the requirement was that the leather cover the bottom of the ejection port and above that was considered chamber for the Wild Bunch interpretation. He said if one had at least an eighth Inch, if I remember right, of the ejection port covered it was enuff of a margin for error in his opinion. I can find the reference if you would like to read it? The only way I can see any challenge to it would be based on the way one might arbitrarily make a judgement call on what is considered a traditional design. If we go against the fact that it has a drop to it then we will have to go back and outlaw all of the Buscadero style Wild Bunch rigs, including those that were featured in the SASS Chronicle at least a couple or more years back. Shux, even the military holsters had a drop that was equivalent to this. The only way I can see it being illegal would be for someone to say they just do not like its look and base a decision on that, but then we will have to start doing a 'smell' test on all existing and future holsters for SASS WB use?

I went out today and looked around the hardware store fore ideas on forming a sight channel. I'm going to try some fashion of press or hammer setup but do want to find something better than destroying it intentionally. Any Ideas would be appreciated.

Boothill Bob · January 05, 2012, 01:02:59 PM

I rest my case..

Got a mail from Hipshot SASS#7 today

"Howdy Boothill Bob:

It does not need to cover the port. Quote from the rule book below.

Holsters and magazine pouches must be of traditional or military design and made from traditional materials, (e.g., canvas or leather). • The holster must cover the entire length of the barrel and slide from the muzzle to the ejection port. No "open front" speed holsters allowed.

Hipshot SASS#7"

JD Alan · January 05, 2012, 03:26:15 PM

We shoot a monthly "Wild bunch category" on our W3G day. We have anywhere from 2 to 6 shooters, myself included who participate. One of our regulars uses this Biannchi holster. It's a classic alright, Jack says he's owned his for decades.

Slowhand, any chance of getting a copy of that pattern?

Thanks, JD

Slowhand Bob · January 05, 2012, 06:34:57 PM

Talked with a buddy on the phone today and he says he will make me a male and female mould for pressing the leather from oak, not sure if it would be able to stand up to an aluminum liner though? I am thinking it might be time to consider a twenty ton press.

Massive · January 05, 2012, 11:24:19 PM

This leads right into a subject I wanted to raise. How do they do the all meta lined holsters that are popular with 1911, back in the day. I live in a handgun more or less free zone, and don't see a lot of this stuff. I ordered a Chapman Bianci off ebay, to get my mind around it.

We have had a number of threads on the subject here over the years, at least of the basic holsters without metal. SB has generously contributed some patterns that are similar to the Milt Sparks 1AT. The 1AT, tension hardware aside, is a pretty simple design, both practical and not too modern looking.

What I would like to know is how they stiffened these so the tension screws wouldn't pooch the holster. How much metal was in there, how they formed it, and how they formed the sight tracks.

Most of the features of holsters from this period do not really make the holsters racy, since most CAS holsters would not pass retention criteria. A race holster from the old days is not really a faster holster, it is fast enough with more retention. For what any of that is worth.