Forum User Agreement

[Camille Eonich]

I've deleted several threads from this forum today because there was so much name calling and so many violations that the time that would be needed to clean the thread up would be extensive.  On that note I think that it may be time for some to read the Forum User Agreement again.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,41358.0.html

Updated 12/30/11

Howdy!

You agree, through your use of the Cas City Forum Hall on CAScity.com, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. Legal actions can be taken against you, if you post this material.
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Being a cowboy action shooters is also and partly about roleplaying. Some live out their roles also on this forum. Please be advised that there might be a borderline on this and be always on alert that there are those that might misunderstand expressions and choice of words.
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You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or you have consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and non-topic solicitations are also inappropriate to this forum.
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PERSONAL ATTACKS
Do not make personal attacks anywhere on our forum and in PMs. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks do not help make a point; they only hurt our community and deter users from reading and posting. Derogatory comments about another contributor may be removed by any moderator. Repeated or egregious personal attacks may lead to blocks or banning. If moderators and administrators have to spend any of their volunteered time dealing with personal disagreements, we will consider a banning of all parties involved.
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COMMERCIAL POSTINGS
Cas City is a community and a website that is provided as a resource of information and promotion of our sport. Cas City Vendors (advertisers) support and contribute financially to make this site available to you. The same goes for the contribution from owners of the site and moderators who spend a lot of their free time to maintain the forum.
This support would not last long if we allowed others to post commercial messages, thus undermining the paid advertising of those that make this site available. Our advertising rates are very moderate and there are no reason to try to take advantage of our forum by trying to post outside the scopes of the guidelines below.

If you sell products or services, part time or full time, the following rules apply, except directly to site advertisers and sponsors:

Do not initiate posts or discussion on or refer to your business.
Do not discuss product pricing or availability of products.
It is acceptable to use your company's web site address as the Home Page URL in your profile. You may also have a link to your web site in your signature, but no banners or graphics are allowed.
Advertising or soliciting for any activity that may be construe as commercial is not allowed.
Any vested interest in a company, product, or service must be disclosed. If you receive products or services for free or at a discounted rate, you must publicly disclose this when you post regarding those products or services and/or competitors. Any type of vested interest that could cause for a biased opinion must be disclosed.

Posts outside the scope of these rules may be edited or deleted without warning. Continued disregard for these rules may result in removal from the forum. If you have any questions about commercial postings, contact Marshal H.

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Note that it is impossible for us to confirm the validity of posts on this forum. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the posted messages on a daily basis and are not responsible for their content. We do not warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any information presented. The messages express the views of the author, not necessarily the views of this forum. Anyone who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to notify the administrators or moderators of this forum immediately.
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DISCLAIMER RELOADING:  We allow members the exchange of reloading ideas, techniques and loads. However, under NO circumstances does the publication of any specific load(s) on the board indicate a recommendation of data published. The caution(s) mentioned in the reloading manuals of starting 10% below any recommended load(s) and working your way up apply in spades! Both experienced and inexperienced reloaders, PLEASE consult the available commercial reloading manuals. It is easy to make mistakes when typing, so view any data published in a post with common sense and suspicion... If it doesn't sound right, it probably isn't! CasCity.com assumes NO responsibility for any loads published.
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We have the rights to remove objectionable content, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, so please realize that we may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately. This policy goes for member profile information as well.
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You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless this forum, and any related websites to this forum. We at CasCity.com also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any information we have about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any information posted by you.
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You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username and to use your alias in SASS and other shooting organizations. We advise that you keep the name appropriate. With this user account you are about to register, you agree to never give your password out to another member, for your protection and for validity reasons. You also agree to NEVER use another member's account to post messages or browse this forum.
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After you register and log into Cas City Forum Hall, you can fill out a detailed profile. It is your responsibility to present clean and accurate information. Any information we deem inaccurate or vulgar will be removed.
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Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement.
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Actions that will be taken when in violation of forum rules are as follows:

1. Warning...
This is where a non public announcement (PM) is made to a member advising him or her to follow the forum rules and reestablish a conduct and communication that is representative for our community.
When a warning is considered, it will also be determined whether the member knew what he was doing was wrong or whether a warning is necessary to explain it do him. After this is considered, we may skip ahead to the next step on the action list.

2. Temporary muting ....
This is where the member will not  be able to post on the forum or send PMs for a certain period of time. Call it a cooling off period and a time to read the rules, rethink their actions and get themselves back on track. The member may still log on and read posts. If this action has been taken, the member will see a notification on the forum when logged in.

4. Banning....
If it is obvious that the person will never respect the rules, a permanent ban is necessary.

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Well, that's enough of pistolwhippin' warnings. Our intention is solely that your stay here on this forum is fun and rewarding.

Marshal & Marshal'ette Halloway
www.CasCity.com

Based upon the threads that I deleted today this portion needs to be called out and special attention paid to it.

You agree, through your use of the Cas City Forum Hall, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. Legal actions can be taken against you, if you post this material.

[Camille Eonich]

Updated from Marshal's update here  http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,41358.0.html

[Octagonal Barrel]

Camille, thanks for helping to run a clean "town."  I don't know what you deleted, and I'm sure I don't need to.  But as a moderator for another forum, I know it's tough to make choices which balance freedom of speech and appropriateness of behavior.  There are many times a valid but unusual or controversial opinion's worth is lost because someone failed to appreciate the importance of how to say something well.

I just wanted to say thanks for doing a hard job.  I'm sure you did it well, and hope the affected parties are not too offended.

[Camille Eonich]

Thank you.

[PJ Hardtack]

It boils down to this - you're entitled to your opinion. It just can't be expressed on CasCity.

For those of us who served, it's a familiar message. We just have a hard time accommodating ourselves to it in civilian life.

I do agree that there are some who can't engage in meaningful dialogue without (a) flaming the other or (b) lack the word power to adequately refute the other's position. That results in the default position of personal attacks, saying things one would NOT say to a man's face.

Safer to confine one's self to inanity, safe but mundane topics.

[Octagonal Barrel]

It boils down to this - you're entitled to your opinion. It just can't be expressed on CasCity.

PJ, I always appreciate your opinions and knowledge.  I disagree on only one point.  I personally think that often inflammatory posts aren't made of inflammatory ideas or positions.  They're made of inflammatory language.  Often dissenting opinions can be shared within the framework of CAS City, and it would be a loss not to hear them.  But when dissenting opinions get shared by means of inflammatory language, that's consistently when thing spiral out of control, and that's when a moderator is forced to earn his or her keep, and enter the saloon shooting.

Simply not expressing a dissenting opinion is always an option, and it would preserve the peace.  But I personally doubt CAS City would be enriched by that peace.  It would be much better if some would learn to share their opinions without casting dispersions or belittling those who don't agree.  In the old days, some towns insisted you leave your guns at the sherrif's office.  CAS City could do the same, and insist we check our tongues and fingers at the moderator's office, and go through town unarmed.  But I bet CAS City would become a ghost town if the Founding Fathers insisted on that.  It would be much better to learn to express one's opinion as it is, and then stop without adding commentary or dispersions.

Clearly, I am on a soap box, and someone better stop me before I lather myself in public.  I deeply value diversity and dissent.  I don't value inflammatory remarks.  That's the essence of my comment.  Better practice what I preach and stop here.

[PJ Hardtack]

I hear you, but I know that some have ceased to subscribe as they felt that some were given free rein to rant whereas they were shut down for responding in kind. They didn't feel the hammer was being fairly applied.

I am on other gun forums where the gloves are off. A spade is called a spade and so long as the language is non-inflammatory. NO topic is censored as gun owners are facing unprecedented attack and too much is at stake to pretend that it isn't happening.

That isn't entirely true as I have been censored twice on one of those forums for drawing a comparison between the tactics of the RCMP of late and the Gestapo. My comments thought to be "hurtful" to any LEO's that might be subscribers! They didn't disagree with me in principle.

Subsequently, some of those very LEO's have shown their true colours when speaking out in favour of the militarization of police forces over the last decade. So who's zooming who?

Avoiding the unpleasant truth is not doing us any favours.

[Forty Rod]

"when a moderator is forced to earn his or her keep".

What?  Do you mean to tell me that Cammie gets paid to do this?  NO, she's having way too much fun.  She should be paying us.   

That said, I expect to be off the site until she cools down.  Might be a long spell.