Rifles

[Jeremiah]

The rules say ".32 or larger pistol cartridge firing rifle (straight cased; eg, .351 Winchester)" and I understand we are talking up through the 1940s. I see the rules also cap velocity @ 1400 FPS. What would be some rifles that would qualify?

Clearly there is the Thompson and I think the 351 Winchester mentioned in the rule was the 1907 Winchester.

The Winchester 1892 was in production until 1938 so I assume it would qualify as would the Marlin 1894.

What other rifles would quality?

[Border Ruffian]

Here's my $02 cents.  Essentially any pistol cartridge firing rifle made before 1950.  This would include some rare guns like Luger carbines, S&W light rifles in 9mm, Reising mode 60 carbines in 45 ACP, all the lever guns used in CAS, theoretically, a 1903 Springfield with a Pedersen device ( a rare bird but a repro could exist, or be built).  The rules allow for beginners to use .22 cal (short, long, LR) firearms so the Thompson look-a-like kit on a Ruger 10/22 would be legal as would any pre-1950 style  22 cal repeater.
As the 351 Win SL is legal, the 30 carbine may be also, allowing originals and later production commercial M1 carbines as they are pre 1950 design. Ther may be more but these come to mind.

[Forty Rod]

What makes a .351 Winchester self-loading a "pistol cartridge"?  IIRC it's a bunch hotter than a .357 Mag and too long for almost any repeating pistol I've ever seen.

On the other hand, I'll never be a zoot shooter so I don't really care.

[Border Ruffian]

What makes a .351 Winchester self-loading a "pistol cartridge"?  IIRC it's a bunch hotter than a .357 Mag and too long for almost any repeating pistol I've ever seen.

On the other hand, I'll never be a zoot shooter so I don't really care.

The rules make an exception for the 351 Win SL as a straight walled "pistol type" cartridge, even though it was never chanbered in a factory pistol.  I think reduced velocity lead handloads might be the best for the rifle/cartridge given the range to the plates. I surmise this exception was made because of the popularity of the Winchester Model 1907 rifle in the 1910s through the 1940s.

[Forty Rod]

Will reduced loads function in the gun?  My Remington 08 (.35 Remington caliber) can accept some reduction in power and still work as a semi-auto, but if I cut them back too far it becomes a straight-pull bolt action...or jams up on each pull of the trigger.

[Border Ruffian]

Will reduced loads function in the gun?  My Remington 08 (.35 Remington caliber) can accept some reduction in power and still work as a semi-auto, but if I cut them back too far it becomes a straight-pull bolt action...or jams up on each pull of the trigger.

I've been told by an owner that reduced loads will work, with experimentation.  Another big problem cost of brass and dies.

[Charles Isaac]

You can pick these old fashioned shooters up cheap-here's a model 1907 .351 Winchester along with a 5" Smith M&P .38spl. $350 for the pair and both work perfectly.

[Border Ruffian]

You can pick these old fashioned shooters up cheap-here's a model 1907 .351 Winchester along with a 5" Smith M&P .38spl. $350 for the pair and both work perfectly.

Those are beautiful.  I especially like the the 10 round magazine on the '07.  Do you have any 351 Winchester handloading wisdom to pass to us?

[Charles Isaac]

  I especially like the the 10 round magazine on the '07. 

Well it sounds like you know exactly what you're lookin' at here! I actually had someone think that old Winchester was missing parts-namely the hammer and lever! By the way, that one there's a first year production gun made in 1907. I think that in it's day, these were the most firepower you could buy.

I haven't reloaded for it yet, been firing vintage ammo and slowly gathering the components for rolling my own.

[Border Ruffian]

Well it sounds like you know exactly what you're lookin' at here! I actually had someone think that old Winchester was missing parts-namely the hammer and lever! By the way, that one there's a first year production gun made in 1907. I think that in it's day, these were the most firepower you could buy.

I haven't reloaded for it yet, been firing vintage ammo and slowly gathering the components for rolling my own.

Thanks for the info, I just purchased an 07 made in 1929 and I'm eagerly awaiting it to arrive.

[Charles Isaac]

I just purchased an 07 made in 1929 and I'm eagerly awaiting it to arrive. 

Outstanding news Border Ruffian!

Care to say what this one is? I bet you know!

[Border Ruffian]

Outstanding news Border Ruffian!

Care to say what this one is? I bet you know!

Mine will be in my hands on Thursday, I hope it's as nice as yours!

[Charles Isaac]

Oh, mine just look better in the pictures than in person, but I like them that way-they were "there" and they done "that".


This one is not an M1907 .351-are there any shooters of guns from this era that can identify it??

[Border Ruffian]

Could it be an earlier Model 1905 in 32 Winn SL?  That was the parent cartridge of the U.S. 30 Carbine.

[Charles Isaac]

Could it be an earlier Model 1905 in 32 Winn SL?  That was the parent cartridge of the U.S. 30 Carbine.

Great knowledge there Border Ruffian-almost no one knows about the .30 Carbine connection to these rifles!

Close with the ID on that rifle, but you went back in time to the M1905-need to go forward some-that should narrow it down!

[Border Ruffian]

Ouch!  it must be a Model 1910 in 401!  The cartridges don't look that big to my weak eyes, but I've actually never seen one.

[Charles Isaac]

Yeah, there's nothing to compare the size of the cartridges to. Would have helped if the 1907 was in the picture as these are quite a bit chunkier. A blast to shoot-but chase that brass!

[Charles Isaac]

A jacketed soft nose .40 caliber from a semi automatic-in 1910??

[Charles Isaac]

Able to drop any North American big game.

[Charles Isaac]

Extolling the virtues of the powerful self loader.