2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS

[captmack]

Please post lodging info as soon as you can. Thanks.

[Niederlander]

Welcome back, Captain Mack!  Where ya' been?!

[captmack]

Welcome back, Captain Mack!  Where ya' been?!

Howdy Ned!  Been really busy with family stuff for the last year but now I am back!   

[Niederlander]

Family comes first, but it's nice to have you back on the forum!  How's Texas Sarge doing?

[captmack]

Family comes first, but it's nice to have you back on the forum!  How's Texas Sarge doing?

Sarge is well. Keeping up with grandbabies.

[Guns Garrett]

Captmack  (and other interested parties):

For those that do not want to do the primitive camping on-site, there is the Garnett Inn and RV Park (Sheila Woosley  785-448-6800 or www.garnettinnandrvpark.com) located 2.5 miles from the range.

Last time I stayed there (2011) they had a good clean place, and reasonable rates.  Very easy commute to the range. (3 - left turns)

[Dusty Tagalon]

Looks like I can't make it, will be training on one of my new systems.

Dusty

[Dusty Tagalon]

Training shifted to December, so I can make it. How do I get a registration form, how much is the registration?

Brian

[Pitspitr]

Great news! Now If something just happened you you could come to Nebraska next week.

[Trap]

  unfortunately it is so hot that I need to stay home to take care of livestock. But I will be getting a registration form on here soon. I would like to get a short review of your course of fire.

[Guns Garrett]

I second the request on a course-of-fire summary - or at least a round count.  I am undecided wheter to register as "Rifleman (SS rifle & pistol) or "Infantryman (SS rifle only).  I assume the Infatryman may expend mor rifle ammo than a Rifleman?:  "The Infantryman shall engage only designated rifle targets but may be required to engage extra designated targets in lieu of shooting the pistol targets."

My rifle ammo is rather expensive (even empty brass), so I would like to have an idea what I will need in time to "arrange financing" to obtain enough...

[Dusty Tagalon]

Saw something online, I have ordered 2 items for door prizes.

Brian

[captmack]

Captmack  (and other interested parties):

For those that do not want to do the primitive camping on-site, there is the Garnett Inn and RV Park (Sheila Woosley  785-448-6800 or www.garnettinnandrvpark.com) located 2.5 miles from the range.

Last time I stayed there (2011) they had a good clean place, and reasonable rates.  Very easy commute to the range. (3 - left turns)

Thanks for the info Guns.

Mack

[Books OToole]

The first registration has been recieved from Major C.O. Jones.


Respectfully;
Major Michael "Books" Tatham

[Bow View Haymaker]

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44330.0.html

Anyone from the southwest want to wagon train to the grand Muster?
I sure want to go but need someone to help drive the team.  Safford AZ, about 3 hrs east from phoenix is where i'd be leaving from.

[Wooly Dan]

I have started gathering door prizes for the Grand Muster.  Last year Windy City did a great job w/door prizes would like to get close this year.  If you can come up w/something bring it w/you.  I am still not a member of GAF. I have tried a number of times to register on line with no success.  I have taken the name and address off the FAF site and mail a hard copy at least twice about to give up.

[River City John]

I have started gathering door prizes for the Grand Muster.  Last year Windy City did a great job w/door prizes would like to get close this year.  If you can come up w/something bring it w/you.  I am still not a member of GAF. I have tried a number of times to register on line with no success.  I have taken the name and address off the FAF site and mail a hard copy at least twice about to give up.

Wooly Dan,
the gentleman you'll wish to e-mule in here is Bull Schmitt, I believe. The registration off the web site is done sporadically, but rest assured you are a member.
See you in October. I'll bring some door prize items.
RCJ

[Bull Schmitt]

Wooly Dan is #789 and has been assigned to the Department of the Missouri.

[Pitspitr]

I would like to get a short review of your course of fire.

I second the request on a course-of-fire summary - or at least a round count.  I am undecided wheter to register as "Rifleman (SS rifle & pistol) or "Infantryman (SS rifle only).  I assume the Infatryman may expend mor rifle ammo than a Rifleman?:  "The Infantryman shall engage only designated rifle targets but may be required to engage extra designated targets in lieu of shooting the pistol targets."

For reviews of what we did at the Dept. Muster please see the DOMM 2012 thread in the After Action Reports: http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44406.25.html It contains several. Also be sure to look at Cowtown Scout's photobucket slide show for a look at the targets we used. I realize you will need to use the targets you have, though I might be able to bring a few of ours for people to try. Anyway I think you'll like to at least see what we used.

We had 3 stages of between 15 and 22 rifle targets and between 5 and 10 pistol targets. With the heat we took some time off during the hottest part of the day and still finished all three stages in 1 day. We had 13 shooters  (I counted myself twice as I shot in 2 classes). We all shot in the same squad.  This doesn't sound like a lot of shooting but it was enough to be satisfying and yet not so much as to risk heat casualties. Most participants expended somewhere between 100 and 115 rifle cartridges. In the last couple of years that we have used the skirmish format we have found that 15 to 22 rifle targets in the heat of July is about optimal. Given that you will be hosting the GM in Oct. and that it is the Grand Muster you might want to add a couple more stages and/or a few more targets per stage.

The distance to the pistol targets was in the 10 to 20 yard range and the distance to rifle targets was somewhere in the 50 to 100 yard range. If a contestant hit a target 3 times without knocking it down it is considered dead. If he misses 2 to 3 times he is encouraged to move closer. We usually throw in some bayonet dummies, ect. One thing we found is that this number of targets will neccesitate using a stopwatch as most shot timers reset at 2 minutes and these stages tend to run between 8 and 10 minutes.

Time must also be figured in to allow the Long Range match as it is now included in the Brigade Championship computations.

The following is a video of Ned Niederlanders first run at the first stage. I ran out of memory on my camera or I would have video from all 3 stages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4EjUYh8mxc&feature=youtube_gdata

I recognize that my setup is unique and adjustments might need to be made, but this is the review you requested.

Guns I shot the EEM (same format as the main match) in Staff Officer (pistol only) thus engaging all targets with pistol only and shot roughly the same total round count (ie. 25 rifle targets+ 10 Pistol targets= 35 targets) as if I had shot it as most folk did using a rifle and a pistol. Again with all targets being "must hit" there is no way an exact round count can be given but a rough rule of thumb is that most folks will use approximately 2 shots for each rifle target  and the same or slightly less for each pistol target. This approximation will be +/- depending on the distance to the target.

I hope other participants will add their comments on the stages and setup, ect. This is a match and format that; as one participant said, "Truly needs to be experienced to be fully appreciated."

[Drydock]

Just my 2 cents, but I think a 3 stage  Main Skirmish match, A single stage EEM Skirmish, with a seprerate long range component for both Main and EEM, is just about optimal for a 3 day match.  I'd rather see a few more targets than additional Runs.  But 20 to 25 seems about right.

-Friday-
-EEM in the Morning,  EEM Long range all afternoon at shooters discretion.  Those that wish may shoot their main match rifle for score as well.

-Saturday-
-One skirmish run in the Morning, one in the afternoon.  If numbers warrent, split into 2 squads and swap off. Long range that evening.

-Sunday-
-Final Skirmish for all hands in the morning, awards in the early afternoon, and everyone's away!

IMHO, have a cuppa joe on me!