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WaddWatsonEllis

October 11, 2011, 10:13:34 PM
After owning a little 1863 pocket pistol converted to .32 S&W, It looks like I am the proud owner of a .44 Cal Model 1858 Cap n Ball ... gonna wear it in a flapped Confederate holster ... and any help you give will be blessed!


Besides 'Save your Confederate Money' that is ... LOL
My moniker is my great grandfather's name. He served with the 2nd Florida Mounted Regiment in the Civil War. Afterward, he came home, packed his wife into a wagon, and was one of the first NorteAmericanos on the Frio River southwest of San Antonio ..... Kinda where present day Dilley is ...

"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." John Wayne
NCOWS #3403

Wolfgang

#1
October 12, 2011, 06:25:59 AM
Quote from: WaddWatsonEllis on October 11, 2011, 10:13:34 PM
After owning a little 1863 pocket pistol converted to .32 S&W, It looks like I am the proud owner of a .44 Cal Model 1858 Cap n Ball ... gonna wear it in a flapped Confederate holster ... and any help you give will be blessed

Besides 'Save your Confederate Money' that is ... LOL

Good for you . . . .  :)
Beware the man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it.

TwoWalks Baldridge

#2
October 12, 2011, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: WaddWatsonEllis on October 11, 2011, 10:13:34 PM
It looks like I am the proud owner of a .44 Cal Model 1858 Cap n Ball ... gonna wear it in a flapped Confederate holster ... and any help you give will be blessed!

Well lets see -
place holster on belt
cinch belt around waist
place revolver in holster
walk tall and proud

Point - give us some information on your new acquisition.  8)
Did you trade the '63 for the '58?
When guns are banned, fear the man with a hammer

WaddWatsonEllis

#3
October 14, 2011, 01:10:47 AM
Nope,

I know very little about this particular early model Pietta 1858 .... but I got the pistol, a spare cylinder, and a holster for $190 .... so if there is not too many 'smith-level problems, I think I did okay .... I'll have to wait and see if my 'beginners luck' at buying weapons is still at work .... I'll keep you all informed as the adventure continues ....

My moniker is my great grandfather's name. He served with the 2nd Florida Mounted Regiment in the Civil War. Afterward, he came home, packed his wife into a wagon, and was one of the first NorteAmericanos on the Frio River southwest of San Antonio ..... Kinda where present day Dilley is ...

"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." John Wayne
NCOWS #3403

WaddWatsonEllis

#4
October 21, 2011, 10:34:19 AM

I'm So Chuffed!

I have just recieved my new-t-me Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, Serial # R 400XXX ... manufacture Date iis CF in a box. The only dates I can find stop at 2003... can anyone tell me what the CF stands for in Dates of Manufacture?

I have orderd a Richmond Shell Jacket, pants and shirt from the Kissimmee Sutler, and a flapped holster and D Handled Bowie from  David Carrico ... and am looking forward to getting all that stuff ... I found an original spoon style Florda issue belt buckle, and plan ot make the leather for the belt, and to Vinagaroon everything to match .... and again, I will post any changes ...

My moniker is my great grandfather's name. He served with the 2nd Florida Mounted Regiment in the Civil War. Afterward, he came home, packed his wife into a wagon, and was one of the first NorteAmericanos on the Frio River southwest of San Antonio ..... Kinda where present day Dilley is ...

"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." John Wayne
NCOWS #3403

wildman1

#5
October 21, 2011, 07:30:07 PM
Wadd, ya ain't supposed ta WAX them things. WM
WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC.  If all that cowboy has ever seen is a stockdam, he ain't gonna believe ya when ya tell him about whales.

John Smith

#6
October 21, 2011, 08:35:40 PM
According to my references "CF" would be 2010.

wildman1

#7
October 22, 2011, 02:57:28 AM
JS where did ya find that info? I'm like Wadd I only found up to 2003. WM
WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC.  If all that cowboy has ever seen is a stockdam, he ain't gonna believe ya when ya tell him about whales.

John Smith

#8
October 23, 2011, 09:37:27 AM
Wildman, I don't know, I've got a print out in my homemade reference book that it's listed on.  I did an internet search and like you, couldn't find any past 2003.

WaddWatsonEllis

#9
October 23, 2011, 09:21:51 PM
Wildman,

I didn't wax them: they came out of the shipping box that purty!

John Smith,

I think you would be doing all of us a service if you published that list ... the post would be worth archiving I would think .... hint , hint ...
My moniker is my great grandfather's name. He served with the 2nd Florida Mounted Regiment in the Civil War. Afterward, he came home, packed his wife into a wagon, and was one of the first NorteAmericanos on the Frio River southwest of San Antonio ..... Kinda where present day Dilley is ...

"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." John Wayne
NCOWS #3403

River City John

#10
October 23, 2011, 10:13:50 PM

1      1945       XXVI    1970         BF      1995
2      1946       XX7     1971         BH     1996 
3      1947       XX8     1972         BI      1997
4      1948       XX9     1973         BL      1998
5      1949       XXX     1974         BM     1999
6      1950       AA      1975          BN     2000
7      1951       AB      1976          BP     2001
8      1952       AC      1977          BS     2002
9      1953       AD      1978          BT     2003
X      1954       AE      1979          BU     2004
XI     1955       AF      1980          BZ     2005
XII    1956       AH      1981         CA     2006   
XIII   1957       AI      1982          CB     2007
XIV   1958       AL      1983          CC     2008
XV     1959      AM      1984         CD     2009
XVI    1960      AN      1985         CE      2010
XVII   1961      AP      1986
XVIII  1962      AS      1987
XIX     1963     AT      1988
XX      1964     AU      1989
XXI     1965     AZ      1990
XXII    1966     BA      1991
XXIII   1967     BB      1992
XXIV    1968    BC      1993
XXV     1969    BD      1994
"I was born by the river in a little tent, and just like the river I've been running ever since." - Sam Cooke
"He who will not look backward with reverence, will not look forward with hope." - Edmund Burke
". . .freedom is not everything or the only thing, perhaps we will put that discovery behind us and comprehend, before it's too late, that without freedom all else is nothing."- G. Warren Nutter
NCOWS #L146
GAF #275

cpt dan blodgett

#11
October 24, 2011, 02:10:39 AM
Guess they have not figured out how to clearly stamp "EGJKORQVWXY"  The Italians need to purchase the stamps winchester has been using on its tangs since the 1800's
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cpt dan blodgett

#12
October 24, 2011, 02:42:30 AM
Congrats on the new pistol.  Looks great.  The apparent hot tip for reliability is purchasing Treso nipples and using Remmington 11 caps.  They will run about 35 bucks a cylinder.  Not totally necessary right away, but it is pretty important to get some proper fitting caps.  If you go to the dark arts child board in the darksiders den Mako has pretty much written a doctoral dissertation on caps, nipple cones etc.  Really interesting and some really cool illustrations.

From what I can tell most chain fires come from the cap end, one of the reason for the small slots on the remmingtons.
There are also some really good discussions of cylinder loaders.  I have the powder inc cylinder loader, works pretty good but the set screw that holds the crossbar in place tends to loosen.  Not a problem if you are smart enough to keep an allen wrench in the shooters kit but...  I am thinking of actually figuring out exactly where I want it and drilling a place for the end of the allen screw into the upright rod, or loctiting the set screw, 

I bought my first from cabelas mail order marked BB so that must have been in 92 while I lived in DC area.  Never fired it a whole lot.  Picked up a second marked CD a couple of years ago at the Glendale Cabelas on time when I was demo-ing Fly Tying and got to buy things at the employee rate for the day.  The ultimate plan is to shoot frontiersman.  Will probably sneak up on it by way of frontier cartridge.   That will let me work out the kinks with the rifle and shot gun loads.  Need to practice a lot on loading the remmingtons and also modify my gun cart or pull a captain baylor and carry a loading table.  Took me 19 years to acquire the 2nd pistol so one or two more working on the gun cart will be really quick - by my apparent standards anyway.

Saw in another post you were concerned about the 45/70 recoil.  My RB with the 26 inch heavy barrel is about 13 lbs according to the bathroom scale and my sharps about 10.  BP loads of 65 grain and 70 grains FFg under 415 grainers is no big deal, more of a shove than a kick.  Smokeless at approx 1300 - 1350 are a little more stout and sharper vs the BP shove but manageable.  I personally am a 1950 model so we are pretty close.  Shot 50 rounds 70 grain FFg off the bench saturday with no ill effects. approx 50/50 split sharps and RB
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wildman1

#13
October 24, 2011, 05:54:05 AM
Quote from: WaddWatsonEllis on October 23, 2011, 09:21:51 PM
Wildman,

I didn't wax them: they came out of the shipping box that purty!
I know Wadd, but ya gotsta get em out and get em durty. WM
WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC.  If all that cowboy has ever seen is a stockdam, he ain't gonna believe ya when ya tell him about whales.

wildman1

#14
October 24, 2011, 07:35:47 AM
Quote from: River City John on October 23, 2011, 10:13:50 PM
1      1945       XXVI    1970         BF      1995
2      1946       XX7     1971         BH     1996 
3      1947       XX8     1972         BI      1997
4      1948       XX9     1973         BL      1998
5      1949       XXX     1974         BM     1999
6      1950       AA      1975          BN     2000
7      1951       AB      1976          BP     2001
8      1952       AC      1977          BS     2002
9      1953       AD      1978          BT     2003
X      1954       AE      1979          BU     2004
XI     1955       AF      1980          BZ     2005
XII    1956       AH      1981         CA     2006   
XIII   1957       AI      1982          CB     2007
XIV   1958       AL      1983          CC     2008
XV     1959      AM      1984         CD     2009
XVI    1960      AN      1985         CE      2010
XVII   1961      AP      1986
XVIII  1962      AS      1987
XIX     1963     AT      1988
XX      1964     AU      1989
XXI     1965     AZ      1990
XXII    1966     BA      1991
XXIII   1967     BB      1992
XXIV    1968    BC      1993
XXV     1969    BD      1994

RCJ, thank you. Apparently CH will be 2011. WM
WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC.  If all that cowboy has ever seen is a stockdam, he ain't gonna believe ya when ya tell him about whales.

River City John

#15
October 24, 2011, 07:45:59 AM
If the same progression is followed:

CF   2011
CH  2012
CI   2013
CL  2014
CM  2015

etc.?

I wonder if the bottom horizontal stroke on an 'E' date letter was struck too faint on your revolver, Wadd? A 2010 manufacture date, CE? Either that or we have discrepancies in our respective date lists used, which wouldn't surprise me.
RCJ
"I was born by the river in a little tent, and just like the river I've been running ever since." - Sam Cooke
"He who will not look backward with reverence, will not look forward with hope." - Edmund Burke
". . .freedom is not everything or the only thing, perhaps we will put that discovery behind us and comprehend, before it's too late, that without freedom all else is nothing."- G. Warren Nutter
NCOWS #L146
GAF #275

WaddWatsonEllis

#16
October 24, 2011, 08:25:57 AM
RCJ,

I pulled the Remmie out and rechecked it ... it is definitely a CF!

Perhaps I got a brand new used pistol/

Does the serial number of R400XXX match the mark?
My moniker is my great grandfather's name. He served with the 2nd Florida Mounted Regiment in the Civil War. Afterward, he came home, packed his wife into a wagon, and was one of the first NorteAmericanos on the Frio River southwest of San Antonio ..... Kinda where present day Dilley is ...

"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." John Wayne
NCOWS #3403

wildman1

#17
October 24, 2011, 08:32:19 AM
The back line on what appears to be the H is very distinct as is the center line. A small amount of vertical line appears on the right side of the H, maybe 30% of the way up and down from center. The top and bottom of the left side of the H is very distinct, with no horizontal lines going to the right. The mark is stamped on the right side of the frame directly below the front of the cylinder. The Walker with the 2009 stamp (CD) is on the bottom of the frame directly below the proof mark (PN) and the Uberti stamp. WM
WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC.  If all that cowboy has ever seen is a stockdam, he ain't gonna believe ya when ya tell him about whales.

cpt dan blodgett

#18
October 24, 2011, 11:49:54 AM
Looks like they used the E in the A series of letters and Dropped it in the B series.  Thinking it is one of the letters they no longer use
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wildman1

#19
October 29, 2011, 07:28:15 AM
Pics of date stamp"H". WM
WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC.  If all that cowboy has ever seen is a stockdam, he ain't gonna believe ya when ya tell him about whales.
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