Fiber Wads.....Modern Chambers???

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · July 08, 2011, 12:08:08 AM

Marvelous Perfesser; I would have trouble finding it, but the guys flying the Beech 1900 have all the bells & whistles to get there, as long as they can see it VFR. On friday 24 Jun we had to wait two hours for the fog & rain to clear to get out. It socked in again just after we left. Better than the days wait with food expended in October a few years back. Google WILLISTON LAKE BC. Tsay Keh Dene is at the Northwest tip of the lake. Kwadacha, or Fort Ware, is about 50 miles (80Km) NNW up the Finlay River.

I just looked at my old school atlas. TKD is almost exactly 125 Eastings, and 57 degrees North.

This trip was typical, NO TRIALS! If the victims/witnesses do not want to see their neighbor/spouse/cousin/or other related person, as the case may be, convicted they will not show up to give evidence. If they figure he/she should be taught a lesson, they will. Either way the issue is already decided. The RCMP have finally resolved to be proactive in laying DUI charges and the law has evolved to remove most of the legal loophole type defences by law. So again, few trials.

We have been very lucky in the last four years I have been making this trip. NO HOMICIDES! In the past the routine was 2 to 3 per year, all either manslaughter or not charged as the witnesses were possibly drunker than the perpetrator or the dear departed. All this in a population of four to six hundred souls, counting both villages. (Do the math - the statistics are shamefully frightening!) ALL FINGERS & TOES CROSSED!

In times of fiscal restraint the cost of taking court to these two communities is staggering. It was decided to do so as the alternative was to demand that they attend court in Mckenzie, a six hour drive over unpaved foresty roads. There, both accused and witnesses stayed in the same hotels, drank in the same beer parlours, and rehashed the same old grudges. Court seemed to promote more fights, more injuries, and created more damage to property than was decently tolerable. So take court to the people.

How did I discover the trick in tightening patterns by reducing the powder charge? 1. Read the lessons taught by the oldtimers. 2. Try it out on the pattern board. Besides, I am cheap, and the idea of reducing powder and shot appeals to me.

Had some bannock. Of course, that is a Scottish delicacy taught to them by HBC traders who were almost universally Scottish.

BTW; HBC are the initials for the phrase "Here Before Christ".

Professor Marvel · July 08, 2011, 01:13:31 AM

My Dear Sir Charles -
I will have to search for fotos of the region, from the google arials the landscape looks quite grand.

Unfortunately I suppose the First Nations up there have the same problems with alcohol and drugs that my friends in the Pueblo's, the Dineh' and my friends on the Rez in the Northern Plains relate... those that want it get it, and the entire community suffers :-(

You are a most admirable fellow. Taking on a rather heavy burden for a part-time retirement pastime, n'est ce pas ?

Glad to hear you at least had some bannock , I love that stuff, it sustains one remarkably well, and I find it even settles the stomach - it seems it's the same whether its the First Nations frybread the Scots Bannock, or the 'Muricans pan bread.

Have you ever tried *real* old timey pemmican? done properly it is rather like a dried dense meat and berry cake. Done poorly it is worse than suet :-(

Back on topic , did you not perhaps dredge up a copy of an arcane Wing Shooting Tome from the flinter eras?

yhs and admirer
prof marvel

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · July 08, 2011, 01:38:10 AM

http://www.archive.org/stream/pteryplegiaorart00mark#page/n3/mode/2up

wildman1 · July 08, 2011, 07:13:00 AM

PM & SC, I do beleive you gentlemen have perfected the art of "sustaining" a thread in perpetuity. WM

Cemetery · July 08, 2011, 08:36:00 AM

Quote from: Noz on July 07, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
You obviously don't read the SASS Wire. There are ways to run this a couple of pages longer, make a lot of people angry and never get a satisfactory answer. All you have to do is express your opinion in such a way as to make everyone else's seem stupid.

You're right, let's don't.

The difference between the SASS wire, and here, is that no one has told me to get a Dillion yet on this tread.

Noz · July 08, 2011, 08:40:44 AM

Quote from: Cemetery on July 08, 2011, 08:36:00 AM

The difference between the SASS wire, and here, is that no one has told me to get a Dillion yet on this tread.

and for that, I am truly thankful!

Steel Horse Bailey · July 08, 2011, 11:25:11 AM

While I'm a big Dillon fan, I unnerstan' what ya mean. Dillon ISN'T the answer to every problem! And I'll only suggest buying a Dillon IF asked for opinions!

Perfesser and Sir Chas, I'd love to spend some time with you two! I enjoy just about anything you two care to comment about ... and this discussion, which seems to deal with "frontier" justice is very interesting, even if it's none of my business! (MODERN frontier, that is!)

Mako · July 08, 2011, 07:32:38 PM

Wrote a song about it...goes sumthin' like this.

(sung to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies)

Come and listen to a story about a man named Noz,
A poor pistoleer barely kept his shotgun fed,
Then one day he was figuren' what t' do,
and up from the crowd came an answer true.

DILLON that is, blue frame, auto feed.

Well the first thing you know ol' Noz's a shotguneer,
Kinfolk said Noz, move away from there,
Said End of Trail is the place you ought to be,
So they loaded up the truck and headed West you see.

Founder's Ranch, that is.
Plastic hulls, heathen wads.

Mad Mucus · July 08, 2011, 09:49:04 PM

Quote from: Wolfgang on July 06, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Cemetary, . . . if you are looking to have a tighter pattern you might want to use a paper shot cup.

Have a look here at what i do :

www.drburkholter.com/cf14.html

Wolfgang, sir have you tried this with smaller shot like 7.5?

Fairshake · July 21, 2011, 06:21:28 PM

Good thread and I just wanted to give my big plus 1 to Mako. He was dead on all that was put on paper via them keys. later

The Swede · July 21, 2011, 10:18:25 PM

Now I started loading shotshells for cowboy action recently. I am using fiber wads with BP in federal plastic hulls in a Stoeger Coach Gun (12 ga.). Knocks down everything with great authority. We use popper targets as well... no problems, and no stringy black snot either!

Swede

Fairshake · July 22, 2011, 09:11:14 AM

The reason you have no problem Swede is that you are using the correct components together. The Federal hulls are straight sided and that is what the wads are made to work with. I have used them all at one time or the other. I like the Federal paper when I was shooting the 87 but they will not shuck from my TTN SXS. I have the best results with the STS, Nitro 27 hulls with the 2 1/2 inch plastic wads. I spray both barrels down with Windex/ Vinegar and out comes the snake skin with one pass. No Biggie.

Cuts Crooked · July 22, 2011, 07:29:37 PM

Quote from: Fairshake on July 22, 2011, 09:11:14 AM
I like the Federal paper when I was shooting the 87 but they will not shuck from my TTN SXS.

Yeah, but the

factor with those paper hulls is almost as good as brass hulls

The Swede · July 24, 2011, 05:13:04 PM

Quote from: Fairshake on July 22, 2011, 09:11:14 AM
The reason you have no problem Swede is that you are using the correct components together. The Federal hulls are straight sided and that is what the wads are made to work with. I have used them all at one time or the other. I like the Federal paper when I was shooting the 87 but they will not shuck from my TTN SXS. I have the best results with the STS, Nitro 27 hulls with the 2 1/2 inch plastic wads. I spray both barrels down with Windex/ Vinegar and out comes the snake skin with one pass. No Biggie.

Yep, you are right... no biggy. Some of my first loads were with plastic wads. I had a few kicking around. Using fiber wads is just as easy as far a loading is concerned, and clean up is very easy!

Swede