Full House Loads: Exceed SASS limits??

[Cemetery]

Just wondering, does anybody know at point, and how many grains it would take to exceed SASS limits with FFg and FFFg?

Reason I'm asking, I was thinking of trying full house loads of real black in FFFg in my Old Army's (40grains) with Hornady 457 round ball, and 44.40 with 200grain boolit (about 35 grains or so of real black).

And 50 or 60 grains of FFg in my Walker.

Was gonna give some Diamondback a spin.

[Marshal Deadwood]

I don't know about FPS on those loads,,but one guy was bitchin' severely that me shooting BP was unnecessarily loud at the SASS match and I was just being 'rude.'

I think the RO's told him 'tough'

Gamers,,go figure.

MD

[john boy]

http://www.goexpowder.com/load-chart.html

[Cemetery]

http://www.goexpowder.com/load-chart.html

forgot about that.



Full house loads with the Walker should probably be done with FFg for SASS it seems.

[Dick Dastardly]

You can push the SASS upper limits with the EPP-UG bullet over 40 grains of FFFg.  I know cuz I've done it.

DD-DLoS

[Montana Slim]

By using 2F in even the Horse pistols, you'll stay under the limit...and, full loads of 2F sound just as impressive & look more impressive as there is more flame going downrange.

Slim

[Blackpowder Burn]

I just chronographed a few loads this weekend, as a matter of fact.  The DD Mav Dutchman in the 44-40 with 33 Grains Goex FFg gave me 725 ft/sec.  The 250 PRS in the 45 Colt with 33 grains FFg gave me about 750 ft/sec.  Both were in a 4-3/4" USFA SAA.

16.5 grains Goex FFFg with eh 210 grain DD/PUK/ROAII in the 45 ACP gave me 605 ft/sec.

[john boy]

You can push the SASS upper limits with the EPP-UG bullet over 40 grains of FFFg.

DD, what was the velocity?

[hellgate]

Cemetery,
I shot one SASS match with my two Walkers using .454ball and 50grs FFFg. By the end of the match my cylinder gap had opened up considerably. Luckily, instead of stretching the wedge cutout in the arbor i had merely crushed two wedges. $9 times two fixed it but since then I have gone to 44grs FFg and the ball. They're my 44-44s. No problem.

[August]

Your mission -- should you decide to accept it -- is to develop loads, with real black powder, that achieve the following characteristics:

1. They must regularly knock down stationary target plates causing T/O to dispatch waddies to reset them.

2.  Loads will cause posse members to complain, remarks, make faces, hold noses, and otherwise disapprove.

3.  Visible flame, in any but the brightest light of day, must attend the belching of such smoke.

4.  Loads must occasionally set the range on fire.  Seriously.

5.  Your loads should permit you leaving the firing line undetected as smoke envelopes the entire shooting bay.

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[Noz]

I went through the Warthog phase but discovered I was injuring me my guns and my wallet by doing so.
I now am much happier, in better joint health and vastly more wealthy since I reduced my loads byt a significant amount.
Dropped the shotgun load by 50% below square load, rifle by 8% and pistols by 7.5%.  Makes for a harmonious outcome.

[Dick Dastardly]

Howdy JB,

My velocities from my 7.5" tube ROAs with Kirst Konverter cylinders was from around 975fps to 1010fps with a compressed charge of FFFg Schuetzen in 45 Colt brass with the little EPP-UG bullets.  Those bullets don't go as far into the case as other 45 caliber bullets do and so there's more room for powder.

Does that help?

DD-DLoS

[Wildcat Will]

Your mission -- should you decide to accept it -- is to develop loads, with real black powder, that achieve the following characteristics:

1. They must regularly knock down stationary target plates causing T/O to dispatch waddies to reset them.

2.  Loads will cause posse members to complain, remarks, make faces, hold noses, and otherwise disapprove.

3.  Visible flame, in any but the brightest light of day, must attend the belching of such smoke.

4.  Loads must occasionally set the range on fire.  Seriously.

5.  Your loads should permit you leaving the firing line undetected as smoke envelopes the entire shooting bay.


August you have my vote for President.    If the spotters start coughing and mumbling about the stink, I walk off the line with a smile.

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[john boy]

... was from around 975fps to 1010fps with a compressed charge of FFFg Schuetzen in 45 Colt brass with the little EPP-UG bullets.

Thanks Dick.  That would be just under or just over the 1000 fps for revolvers.  They're singing down the bore though! The EPP's shot in a rifle, would think, would be under the the 1400 fps rule.

[Dick Dastardly]

Tell ya what JB,

I'll shoot some of them out of my Thompson Center Seneca front stuffer over 40 grains of Schuetzen FFFg and graph them.  I know that this bullet/rifle combination is very accurate.  It'll be interesting to see just how fast those little pills are moving.

I'll report back.

DD-DLoS

[john boy]

It'll be interesting to see just how fast those little pills are moving.

Dick, I'll guess 1260 fps - same for avg and SD of 23

[Adirondack Jack]

It's not always about powder quantity.  Ya wanna make some noise and make fixed targets into KDs, a 268 gr HB (.455 Webley) bullet sized to .452 and loaded into a C45S case on top of 20 grains of Swiss 1 1/2 will git er done.  The heavy HB bullet resists moving enough to get a very good, lively burn, and has enough mass to swat heck outta the targets.  I've knocked big round or IPSC shaped plates right off the stands when nothing else on the line was even wiggling em.

The same bullet on top of 4 grains of Bullseye is a good "RO waker-upper" , making em wonder "what the heck was that when ya sneak one in between the 130s at 'poof-tink" levels I normally shoot when running smokeless 

[pony express]

I've been shooting a trapdoor Springfield with 45-55-405 loads in out "military" class at our club. Two months in a row, took down the same target, on the same stage, first shot. But it's a 6 shot dump target, and after I've shot it 5 more times all I can hear from behind me is"Give it a break it's DEAD already"

[Lefty Dude]

I just started shooting my 1851/44 Navy "Rebs" in our Clubs Monthly Match. Because they are Brass framed I do not shoot full or stiff loads. I also have a Cenetaur 1860/44 all steel frame. I was testing the 1860 and changed the spout on my powder flask to a larger capacity charge.
The last match I shot, I forgot to change spouts on the flask. I loaded the first "51" with the larger volume of powder. Then realized the error, changed spouts and loaded the second "51" with the lighter charge.
I was doing Posse chores and such and forgot about the charge difference. Capped the "51's" at the loading table and proceeded to the stage.
First revolver was the normal charge. That second revolver was the wake-up call.
No damage occured to the piece, however I do not want to shoot that load in the Brass Navy's again.

[Bottom Dealin Mike]

Dick,

Schuetzen has more ooomph to it.

Last week I chrony'd a 250-gr PRS at 907 FPS (average) through a 7.5" barrel on a Big Bore Bounty Hunter. The Load was 40 grains of 2Fg Goex.