Which shotgun do you shoot?

[Shotgun Franklin]

IMO, the problem stems from the fact that Gamers insist on an overall best shooter. The fastest guy wins. I tried for years to just have a top shooter in each category but no deal

[Modoc]

I came back from the '97 to hammered sxs because I was tired of having mechanical failures and needing to repair all of the time. Went to a Stevens 225 with 30" tubes and ran it for quite a while. Now I am split from Rossi Overlands in 12 and 20 and an IAC 1887. Quite a few of our shooter use SXS Shotguns, but we also have quite a few who use 1892's also. ;P

[Bow View Haymaker]

what would happen if the repeaters were alowed to load more than 2 but on the clock just like the sxs shooters?  everyone would start with an empty shotgun and load what was needed as needed.  All the shotshells would be loaded into the guns on the clock so the field is leaveled.  the repeater shooters could load 1 at a time or the number needed on the staged and then start shooting.  I believe some local clubs do this and It maybe the way the ncows rules are writen.  Just an idea.

[Stu Kettle]

I just see it as crazy and unsafe to load them in the manner we make people load them . . .

What is crazy and unsafe about loading one round at a time in a slide action shotgun? 

[Major 2]

CAN + OPENER = HELLO WORMS 

[RickB]

What is crazy and unsafe about loading one round at a time in a slide action shotgun? 

The erratic way you have to load one at a time. It goes against the way the gun was designed. It's not safe to load in that manner, and from what some gunsmiths have told me it is hard on the extracter of the gun.

[RickB]

IMO, the problem stems from the fact that Gamers insist on an overall best shooter. The fastest guy wins. I tried for years to just have a top shooter in each category but no deal

That's why I chose NCOWS. No gamers in that group. The gamer guns aren't allowed. I wonder exactly how many 97s were in use before 190pnyway? I bet not many.

[panhead pete]

I shoot a Century Arms (Chinese) when shooting smokeless and an old American Arms hammer double, long, damascus barreled sXs when I shoot B/P.  At our club, you can only load two at a time.  Most of MI seems to have gone that way and a lot of fast shooters are now using sxs's.

Panhead 

[panhead pete]

Oh yeah, as far as how many 97's were around at the end of the century?  Think of how many of us rush out to buy the latest, fastest, newest in technology for our modern use.  I am sure they were looking for every advantage as well.

PhP

[Bugscuffle]

By douing a little creative manufacturing date research at this site : http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm , in the years 1897, 1898 and 1899, Winchester cranked out at least 32,000 model 1897's. That's how many were around at the turn of the century.

[Shotgun Franklin]

'97s, short strokes, set back triggers, lowered hammers; SASS is a gamers sport. Lot's of us shoot for fun knowing that we are not going to win or place at a major match. It's just the way it is.

[maldito gringo]

These- if the pix are small click'em

[LoneRider]

Baikal

[RickB]

By douing a little creative manufacturing date research at this site : http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm , in the years 1897, 1898 and 1899, Winchester cranked out at least 32,000 model 1897's. That's how many were around at the turn of the century.

That is the number produced. I wonder exactly how many were in civilian hands prior to 1900. There may be a good deal of them made but often law enforcment, military etc get them before civilians did back then.

If memory serves me the same was true of the S&W pistols and with the Colt 73. That is why so many carried cap and ball or conversions at the time. Plus the cost of new Colts and S&Ws were somewhat cost prohibitive to many.

[Jamie]

I really appreciated the research on numbers, as it makes the speculation all the more interesting.  We do know that the folding pump gun, the name eludes me at the moment was used by one or two of the major players in the ranks of the good guys, and appreciated for its potential, so one would guess that more than one or two of the Winchesters went the same way.  Market hunting was a reality back then, and aside from waterfowl (back East especially where "punt guns" were the highest tech" ) the magazine type repeater was a flock shooters dream, especially if one were fast and a good shot.  As far as the average man on the street, with minimal disposable income, and I mean MINIMAL in most cases, I doubt that there were many in civilian hands.  One of the factors in distribution would obviously have been the name Winchester, however.

[John Smith]

what would happen if the repeaters were alowed to load more than 2 but on the clock just like the sxs shooters?  everyone would start with an empty shotgun and load what was needed as needed.  All the shotshells would be loaded into the guns on the clock so the field is leaveled.  the repeater shooters could load 1 at a time or the number needed on the staged and then start shooting.  I believe some local clubs do this and It maybe the way the ncows rules are writen.  Just an idea.

Our club allows you to "stoke" your 87/97 on the clock.  I found it was about the same time wise either way.

[Bow View Haymaker]

Our club allows you to "stoke" your 87/97 on the clock.  I found it was about the same time wise either way.

That's what I figured the result would be.  But it still gives the shooter a choice to run the pump the way it was ment to be or single load.  and since all the loading is done on the clock with the double or the repeaters,  the field cn stay pretty level. 

[Bull Skinner]

Stevens 235 hammer gun, a Rossi hammered Coachgun and IAC 1887 lever.

[shrapnel]

I use an engraved Colt model 1878, A Birmingham "Hume" Sidelock, Sidelever, a Burgess wrist slide action and a Webley...

[Vernon/IN]

I have two hammer doubles.  A Rossi Coach Gun and a Rossi Overland.

When I shoot a SASS match, I use the Overland and have the Coach Gun along as a backup.  I use full power GOEX BP loads (MAG Tech brass shells).

For NCOWS, I most often shoot Working Cowboy and do not use a shotgun then.

Vernon