Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF

[h c ramrod]

WELL I/LL TELL YAH I REALY ENJOY THIS FORUM AND LOOK AT ALL THE TESTING SILVERRINGS HAS DONE AND IT HAS HELP ME WITH MY 45/60 LOADS
THIS WEEK END I WILL TEST SOME 405 HRD CST WITH 4198 26GRN FOR ACURACY. THE FPS IS AROUND 12OO.
I USUALY USE 5744 POWDER WITCH I LIKE VERY MUCH.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUY'S
Ram
BY THE WAY MY N.W.M.P. CARB. LIKES 405'S AND 420'S

[h c ramrod]

 
WELL HAD A GREAT WEEK END AT OUR CLUB SHOOTIN COWBOY ACTION AND ALSO DOWN AT THE LONG RANGE . I LOADED SOME 405GRN FLAT NOSE LEAD HARD CAST. WITH 26 GRN OF H4198 .
GOT MY N.W.M.P. CARB SIGHTED IN STARTIN AT 130 YRDS AND 200 AND 250 AND 300 AND 385 YARDS .HIT'S WERE VERY ACURATE, AROUND 1200 FPS. I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE LOAD AND THE RIFLE.......
THE 385 YARD TARGET IS A BUFFALO STEEL THE SISE OF A ST.BERNARD DOG, NOT TO BIG AT 385YRDS.
THE CLOSER TARGETS ARE LOT SMALLER.......LIFE CANT GET MUCH BETTER THAN THIS..........

[h c ramrod]

 
DANG I FORGOT TO MENTION THE CALIBER WAS 45/60, SORRY

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Howdy
Plan on using my 45-60 at the Eastern Regional ( NCOWS ) It works real good on the T Rex targets .

[h c ramrod]

ROWDY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE T X TARGIT IS NEVER HERD OF IT......

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Howdy
Now the T Rex Targets are a Knock down .This will be shot at the Eastern Regional ( NCOWS ) It usually  consist of 5 pistol and about   8 rifle targets . This is a black powder event . I love knocking those Buffalo's down with my 76 .   

[h c ramrod]

DO YAH THINK WE WERE BORN AT THE WRONG TIME....??

[Chuy Chacon]

Howdy
I would like to thank everyone for the 45- 60 load info since it is hard to come by. I have been shooting 45-60 in a sharps carbine for the last 2 years and now a Chappy nwmp carbine. My Chappy likes long OAL of 2.31-2.325 and thin rim brass.My best guess on PSI levels would be below 15,000 , some unburned power is a good sign that your psi is low enough.

Lee 340 lfn bullet H4895 starting at 32 grs Vel 1150, 35grs Vel 1315 ,(38.5 Vel 1450),40.0 Vel 1520 Leading starts at 40 grs
Lee 340 lfn bullet Goex FFG 62grs Vel 1250                                       Std Load
Hornady 300JHP OAL 2.32 H4895 38.5 grs

Thanks
Chuy

[Roosterman]

Anybody working with SR 4759?

[Pitchy]

Larryo,

I have had some success with Reloader 7.  It gives good velocity.  The accuracy has been a problem so far.  I found 32.0 grains with no filler sometimes produces groups for 3 shots of less than 2".  Other times I will get 2 groups out of a 5 shot string that are more than 6" apart, each group will be an inch or less.  I have this same problem with most of the other powder I have tried, I'll get a 3" group plus a couple of flyers.  The H4831SC and some loads of 5744 do better.

SR  

Never mind Rowdy this answered my question. 

[Pitchy]

Silver Rings
The imr 3031 at 38.5 grains is working for me . I have used filler in some and it does help the velocity spread .

Where would there be room for a filler with that load, i loaded some today at 37 grains and there isn`t much space left using a 300 grain bullet.

Could someone explain to me how the 405 grain bullet works for the 45-60.
The 405 grain bullet is a lot longer than the 300 grainers so in order to get OAL correct you would have to crimp high on the bullet nose right, which then would decrease the available space for powder in the case.
I`d be interested in working up a load for deer using 3031 with the 405.
Thanks

[Grizzly Adams]

Where would there be room for a filler with that load, i loaded some today at 37 grains and there isn`t much space left using a 300 grain bullet.

Could someone explain to me how the 405 grain bullet works for the 45-60.
The 405 grain bullet is a lot longer than the 300 grainers so in order to get OAL correct you would have to crimp high on the bullet nose right, which then would decrease the available space for powder in the case.
I`d be interested in working up a load for deer using 3031 with the 405.
Thanks

For smokeless, some shorten the case just a bit.  I use a Lee factory crimp die.

[Pitchy]

For smokeless, some shorten the case just a bit.  I use a Lee factory crimp die.

One would have to shorten the case a lot to crimp in the top groove of a 405 grain bullet and even if ya crimp on the nose all that bullet will be in the case further which will increase pressures.

[Pitchy]

Not much help here , anyway i`m going to stick with the 300 grainers, may try 4198.
Good luck newbies with new guns. 

[h c ramrod]

in regards to the 405 grn lead
i have loaded the 405 in 45/60 with 57/44 powder ( 23grns ) and i crimp right in the groove on this bullet.
makes a good hunting load for deer sise game out to one hundred yrds . also done up to 420grn same powder charge.
i shoot them out of a uberty cross fire trail carbine n.w.m.p. style.
with 4198 with 300 grn lead 29grns of powder aprox fps = 1300 in the carb.
thats what i have done, and they shoot great.

[Pitchy]

My question still is did you have to shorten the case with the 405 bullet to get the proper overall length correct.
The 405 grain bullet is a lot longer than the 300 grain bullet.
Here`s a pic of the 300 and 405 grain bullets, it looks like OAL will be ok but the 405 takes up alot more case space, would the 29-30 grain load of 4198 work ok?

[h c ramrod]

NO STANDARD 45/60 CASE LENTH  I KNOW THE LAZER CAST WORK JUST FINE PLENTY OF ROOM IN THE CASE FOR THE LOADS I MADE.

[h c ramrod]

WITH THE 405 I NEVER USED 29 OR 30 GRN OF 4198
ONLY WITH THE 300GRN LEAD

[Pitchy]

There would be plenty enough room for the 29 grain load of 4198, i also have the 405 grain flat nose bullet.
My question is because of the heavy bullet and less case space with the longer bullet how much do i have to reduce the load to stay within safe pressures or isn`t it an issue.
Thanks.
Hope ya wern`t shouting at me with the caps.

[h c ramrod]

NOT SHOUTING AT ALL
          I WOULD NOT GO THAT MUCH 4198 WITH THE 405 MY MAX THAT I TRIED WAS 26 WITH 4198 ON 405 LEAD
29 WITH THE 300..............