Slixsprings vs whisper springs for the '73

[Yahoo Delirious]

Did a search and came up empty handed on a comparison. 

They look the same to me in the pics.

Is there a difference other than who sells them?

Thanks, Y-D

[Hedley Lamarr]

Not really.
I've used both & cannot tell the difference.
Perhaps one brand will stay in adjustment & last longer under heavy use better than the other but I've not gotten that far with mine, even after several years.

I saw that Blaze Kinkaid was selling some Slixsprings on the SASS Wire classifieds yesterday.

[Yahoo Delirious]

Hedley,

Yes, I saw those for sale.  Missed 'em by a couple of hours which is an eternity on the Wire classifieds. Ya gotta be quick there!

Thanks for the info on the springs.  Have you got a recommendation on the main spring?

Y-D

[Hedley Lamarr]

I have a Slix mainspring assembly but haven't got around to installing it.
I have shot rifles with the Slix & the Pioneer & I prefer the Slix.

I'm shooting black powder exclusively, tho, and just don't feel the mainspring will make any difference for me.

[Coffinmaker]

SlixSprings are made in Oregon and Whisper springs are from "The Smith Shop."  The SlixSpring is slightly heavier than the Whisper spring and I prefer to use the SlixSpring and feel they will last longer.  Neither has ben around long enough to tell the longevity yet but both will save you a lot of wear on the lever cam and carrier block arm.
Unless you have a Short Stroke with positive "slam down" of the carrier block arm, you'll have to keep the carrier block mortice squeeky clean.

Coffinmaker

[Yahoo Delirious]

Don't know about the slam down yet.

I'm just getting my thoughts togather on what to get for my Beretta Renagade when it arrives.  I've heard it has a proprietary short stroke in it.  I have also heard it does require springs and some slicking up as well.

Thanks for the info on the springs.

Y-D

[Coffinmaker]

Delirious,

Your understanding is correct.  The Renegade does have a short stroke from the factory.  It also has stock Uberti springs and will be quite stiff to operate because of the heavy springs.  I think "The Smith Shop" offers a somewhat lighter main spring and of course the Whisper Springs.  You will also want to change the trigger block safety spring which you can also get from The Smith Shop.  In this instance, "One Stop Shopping" might be just the ticket for you.
Unfortunately, the Carrier Block Arm does not include "Positive Slam Down."  Check with your local shooters to see if there is anyone locally who understands how to add positive slam down.

Coffinmaker

[Pettifogger]

Coffinmaker, Cimarron had the Uberti short stroke kits at the SASS Convention.  It was interesting in that the kit consisted of a new lever, new links, and an aluminum carrier but no lifter arm.  They wanted $200.00.  I was interested to see how one would work, but didn't have a spare $200.00.

[Yahoo Delirious]

Coffinmaker,

Did a search and found enough of your postings to get an idea about positive slam down.  I did not see any pics of a welded bump. Are there any available that I could look at?

Also, would an aluminum carrier make a difference in my application with the whisper springs on the Renagade if I could not find someone to weld a bump?  I would think with aluminum there would be less mass for the lighter spring to overcome in order to shove it down.


Y-D

[Fox Creek Kid]

...I was interested to see how one would work, but didn't have a spare $200.00.

That's because you were too busy spending money on hard chrome Colts, highballs & loose women!! The rest you just wasted! 

[Coffinmaker]

Pettifogger,

The Uberti Short Stroke consists of a modified lever (The "step" is further up) to contact a "stock" Carrier Block Arm and the links themselves are copies of Pioneer Gunworks "Super Short" links.  So far, on three of the guns I've worked on the links fell apart when the side plates came off.  No friction fit on the pivot pins at all.  I replaced them with Pioneer link sets.  Why they chose to modify the expensive part (lever) rather than the carrier block arm I've not a clue.  I hope more recent production has resolved the links problem.

Delirious,

I've never learned to post pictures.  Adding a little bump (file to fit) isn't a big problem.  The Aluminum Carrier Block comes with it's own set of problems and I don't particularly care for them.  The reduced weight of the aluminum carrier block won't help.  No inertia when the lever taps it down.  If the Carrier Block gets a bit dirty (Shooting .45s) it will stop part way down and stop the rifle.

All of these little niggly problems can be solved.  I just feel for the money, you shouldn't need someone like me or Pettifogger to fix it.  Should be right from the manufacturer.  It does however, keep me in business

Coffinmaker

PS:  You can also drill and tap the top rear face of the Carrier Block Arm and add a set screw filed to fit at the bottom and installed with blue Loctite. 

[Pettifogger]

That's because you were too busy spending money on hard chrome Colts, highballs & loose women!! The rest you just wasted! 

A man has to have priorities.