44 wcf smokeless loads

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Capt. Montgomery Little

#40
March 28, 2011, 04:05:44 PM
Rowdy,  Just found this post so I hope this isn't a repeat. John Taffin gave me a load years ago for the 66/73s with Unique that he said was the most accurate load he came up with for the 225 gr. bullet...8.0 gr. Unique, just as you have found with the 200+- bullet. He even has it posted on page 232 of his book, Gun Digest Book of the .44. I have personally used a 9 gr load of Trail Boss with 200 gr. bullets in 44-40 with no adverse affects. HOWEVER, if anyone tries this load w/o working up to it, they are doing so at their own risk. This load in my 66 will thump targets at 600 yds but don't have specs, ie. velocity/energy.

Rowdy Fulcher

#41
March 31, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Steel Horse
The load I am trying to build  is in the mid 1200 fps range .The 8.0 grains of Unique puts me there . It still has plenty of thump .This load is chronied from a 24 inch 1873 Uberti .

Rafe Covington

#42
March 31, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Always good to get rid of outdated technology, smokeless is the future. Sure wish you guys could grasp the advantages of this new technology.  ;D

Rafe Covington
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Ottawa Creek Bill

#43
March 31, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Rafe Covington on March 31, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Always good to get rid of outdated technology, smokeless is the future. Sure wish you guys could grasp the advantages of this new technology.  ;D

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#44
March 31, 2011, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on March 31, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
I think I'm gonna PUKE!!  >:( >:(

It was meant as a joke, go ahead and puke if it makes you happy.

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#45
March 31, 2011, 10:15:03 PM
Quote from: Rafe Covington on March 31, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Always good to get rid of outdated technology, smokeless is the future. Sure wish you guys could grasp the advantages of this new technology.  ;D

Rafe Covington

Come on, now! SMOKELESS IS JUST A FAD! ;D ;D
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#46
March 31, 2011, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on March 31, 2011, 10:15:03 PM
Come on, now! SMOKELESS IS JUST A FAD! ;D ;D

It is my Humble Opinion, that Smokeless Powders are a subterfuge, a stealthy technology developed by Ne'er-do-wells and Ninjas  who crave to hide their activities and disguise their firing positions though deception and subterfuge.  ::)

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Tjackstephens

#47
April 01, 2011, 02:38:55 AM
Now that was a good movie, even if it was not a western. Tj
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Montana Slim

#48
April 01, 2011, 05:14:42 PM
The good news is we can exceed the velocity of typical safe smokeless loads using BP.... ;D

Slim
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#49
April 01, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
Well I have this to say about that. 44wcf in smokeless or good ole black powder is the best round out there that came from the old west. Can I hear a hear hear? Tj  ;D
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#50
April 01, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: Tjackstephens on April 01, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
Well I have this to say about that. 44wcf in smokeless or good ole black powder is the best round out there that came from the old west. Can I hear a hear hear? Tj  ;D

And I am unanimous in that! ;D
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#51
April 02, 2011, 12:54:01 AM
Hear Hear sir!  ;D
A work in progress.

Rowdy Fulcher

#52
April 02, 2011, 01:52:24 AM
Howdy Pards
We all love the 44wcf , and it doesn't matter if your shooting black or smokeless . It's a good round for the cowboy shooter or the Vintage Hunter . Yes we all love the smoke and the boom of the black but sometimes it's just nice to shoot a few rounds of smokeless . Plan on shooting my 1873 Winchester ( Uberti ) today at our camp with both powders . I plan on shooting my USFA pre war in 44wcf . I have a day off from Coal Mining and plan of Shooting a few Guns and yes I will be Shooting my 1876 as well .

Rafe Covington

#53
April 02, 2011, 07:31:30 AM
The 44-40 is a great round, I have to agree with that.

I want to apologize for my earlier remark, sometimes I get upset and say things that aren't exactly appropriate for the setting.

Rafe Covington
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Rowdy Fulcher

#54
April 19, 2011, 12:29:46 PM
Howdy
Got a chance to go shooting . Shot my 1873 and my USFA pre war and my 1876 . The 44wcf loads shot GREAT . My 1876 did an Excellent job also .

Rowdy Fulcher

#55
June 27, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
Howdy Pards
Got a chance to do a little shooting today . I have a load with 8.0 grains of Unique and it works great .I have also used Trail Boss and it shoots great . I have fired these loads in my 1873 Winchester (Uberti ) and my Pre War from USFA . Hope to get out early tomorrow and do a little ground hog hunting with my 1873 .

Rowdy Fulcher

#56
August 06, 2011, 06:56:20 PM
Howdy
Today I was out shooting and noticed the 8.0 grains of Unique and the Black Hills factory ammo chronograph the same . Don't know what the boys at Black Hills use ,but they have a good load .

Marshal Deadwood

#57
August 06, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
Dang Rowdy, groundhog hunting....used to be a passion when I was younger,,now they are mostly all gone. I think it's cause of the coyotes. I used to hunt'em all the time with a flintlock. Big fun.

Rowdy Fulcher

#58
September 09, 2011, 09:57:02 PM
Marshal
Have you shot your 44wcf lately ?

Trailrider

#59
September 10, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
I've been using 8.0 gr Hodgdon's UNIVERSAL (NOT Clays) over 213.5 gr hard cast bullets for years.  MV from a 24" barrel Navy Arms M1860 Henry is 1215 ft/sec.  After more than 3,000 rounds I detected NO increase in headspace using gages.  From a 20" barrel Rossi M'92, velocities dropped off to 1020 ft/sec, and from 7-1/2" barrel Old Model Vaquero with the .425" throats in the cylinder is around 950 ft/sec.

CAUTION: Watch out for double charge, especially if you load on a progressive press. Roll crimp firmly into a crimp groove and be sure the neck tension is good.

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