'At The OK Corral'

[Shotgun Franklin]

Once again I hear some great Historian, self proclaimed of course, ranting about the fight in Tomestone. The thing has been called the gunfight AT THE OK CORRAL for a 100 years now. Everyone knows that it was at, as in near the corral, not in the corral. My Lord let it go. We have so many subjects that need research or actual digging without a bunch of grown men dancing around like school boys over what to call a fairly well documented gunfight.

[Tascosa Joe]

AMEN!!

[Trailrider]

Of COURSE it was "The Gunfight AT O.K. Corral"!  Frankie Lane sang it that way, so it MUST be true! 

[Delmonico]

Of COURSE it was "The Gunfight AT O.K. Corral"!  Frankie Lane sang it that way, so it MUST be true! 

Well it's hard to rhyme "The Gunfight behind Fly's Photo Studio and Boarding House near the OK Corral."

[Silver Creek Slim]

Well it's hard to rhyme "The Gunfight behind Fly's Photo Studio and Boarding House near the OK Corral."

Slim

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

Well it's hard to rhyme "The Gunfight behind Fly's Photo Studio and Boarding House near the OK Corral."

  I like that Del, you might be on to something there.

       tEN wOLVES

[Delmonico]

  I like that Del, you might be on to something there.

       tEN wOLVES

Usually am.

[Trailrider]

 

[Dead I]

Lots of the fight took place on Fremont Street alongside the back entrance to the OK Corral and in the vacant lot between Fly's Photo Gallery and the Harwood boarding house, where Doc Holliday lived.  No one entered the OK Corral except for Ike Clanton who ran into Fly's studio through the the front door and out the back. He ran by or through the Corral and into the Allan street from where he took cover in a saloon.

Here's a little known fact.  A "cowboy" named William (Billy) Allen took a snap shot at Wyatt from behind during the OK Corral fight.  Wyatt turned and fired a shot his way.  This is the same William Allen who doc shot in the arm in Hyman's saloon in Leadville shortly before his death. This animosity between Allen and Holliday went way back.

[Buffalo Creek Law Dog]

Once again I hear some great Historian, self proclaimed of course, ranting about the fight in Tomestone. The thing has been called the gunfight AT THE OK CORRAL for a 100 years now. Everyone knows that it was at, as in near the corral, not in the corral. My Lord let it go. We have so many subjects that need research or actual digging without a bunch of grown men dancing around like school boys over what to call a fairly well documented gunfight.

Hollywood also adds to the various illusions such as, every soldier at the Little Big Horn was Killed by using phrases in their movies, such as "7th Cavalry wiped out at the LBH" or, "Custer and his whole command wiped out at LBH". When in fact the 7th suffered 51% casualties at LBH.  I'm sure that at least 75% of the North American population believe that there were no white survivors at LBH due to Hollywood's phraseology.

[Dead I]

Hollywood also adds to the various illusions such as, every soldier at the Little Big Horn was Killed by using phrases in their movies, such as "7th Cavalry wiped out at the LBH" or, "Custer and his whole command wiped out at LBH". When in fact the 7th suffered 51% casualties at LBH.  I'm sure that at least 75% of the North American population believe that there were no white survivors at LBH due to Hollywood's phraseology.

Yep, five companies of Custer's cavalry were wiped out, but lots survived.  Some lived to fight in the fight at Wounded Knee.  Same Indians, same white men; different outcome.   

[Stillwater]

Once again I hear some great Historian, self proclaimed of course, ranting about the fight in Tomestone. The thing has been called the gunfight AT THE OK CORRAL for a 100 years now. Everyone knows that it was at, as in near the corral, not in the corral. My Lord let it go. We have so many subjects that need research or actual digging without a bunch of grown men dancing around like school boys over what to call a fairly well documented gunfight.

If that would happen, what would the tenderfeet have to wax eloquent, and knowledgable, about?

Up until I visited Tombstone, in 1960, everything I read was "AT" the OK corral. I was surprised to find out differently, on my visit.

Bill

[Dead I]

I am trying to think if a western that I think depicted historical events correctly.  I like "Tombstone" but Doc Holliday probably didn't smoke.  I've always been a fan of "The Searchers", but only because of the setting and attitudes which I think are shown correctly.   I like the "Treasure of Sierra Madre" which I think is very authentic.  It's such a shame that the folks who write the screen plays for westerns aren't snapped into the history.  "Young Guns" would have been just as good, or even better, if they had shown the Regulators as they were.

The most true to life thing I've ever seen is a movied is the bar scene in "Top Gun".  You see, I was there.

[Stillwater]

I am trying to think if a western that I think depicted historical events correctly.  I like "Tombstone" but Doc Holliday probably didn't smoke.  I've always been a fan of "The Searchers", but only because of the setting and attitudes which I think are shown correctly.   I like the "Treasure of Sierra Madre" which I think is very authentic.  It's such a shame that the folks who write the screen plays for westerns aren't snapped into the history.  "Young Guns" would have been just as good, or even better, if they had shown the Regulators as they were.

The most true to life thing I've ever seen is a movied is the bar scene in "Top Gun".  You see, I was there.

How close do you think the Costner movie, "Wyatt Earp," was?

Bill

[rebsr52339]

Stillwater, if anything it sure looked good.

[Trailrider]

I am trying to think if a western that I think depicted historical events correctly.  I like "Tombstone" but Doc Holliday probably didn't smoke.  I've always been a fan of "The Searchers", but only because of the setting and attitudes which I think are shown correctly.   I like the "Treasure of Sierra Madre" which I think is very authentic.  It's such a shame that the folks who write the screen plays for westerns aren't snapped into the history.  "Young Guns" would have been just as good, or even better, if they had shown the Regulators as they were.

The most true to life thing I've ever seen is a movied is the bar scene in "Top Gun".  You see, I was there.

Well, in the movie, "The Right Stuff" the bartender, "Fred", in the scene at Pancho Barnes' Happy Bottom Riding Club, where he comes out of the gloom when the two actor pilots are discussing Chuck Yeager.  "Fred" knew everything about the actual Club...because the "actor" playing "Fred" was actually Yeager himself! 

[Dead I]

How close do you think the Costner movie, "Wyatt Earp," was?

Bill

Except for "Tin Cup" and "Field of Dreams" Costner ruins for me every movie he is in.  It's his beach boy voice that destroys it.  Wyatt I'm sure had a deep, throaty voice.  Costner just squeeks.  I think that movie looks pretty good and Quaid IS Doc Holliday.  

So to answser your question, Bill; I'd have liked the flim much better if someone other than Costner was caste.  Put that aside, I think it's pretty right on.

[Dead I]

Well, in the movie, "The Right Stuff" the bartender, "Fred", in the scene at Pancho Barnes' Happy Bottom Riding Club, where he comes out of the gloom when the two actor pilots are discussing Chuck Yeager.  "Fred" knew everything about the actual Club...because the "actor" playing "Fred" was actually Yeager himself!  

I remember that!  I read Yeager's book.  He said that he only ran into German aircraft on two missions...or was it one?  By the time he got there the German's wheren't putting up many fighters.  Given an opportunity I think Yeager would have bagged a bunch of Germans.  That guy was and I guess still is; a pistol!  He's got to be in his 90's.  Yeager's eyesight was a great asset.  I was a fighter/attack pilot during the VN War.  Guys with excellent eyesight had an advantage and even though mine were fine I wasn't as good as some.  Some guys could spot a bogie at 50 miles!  That's eyes of eagles.  I was lucky to catch them at 30.  

[GunClick Rick]

Well it's hard to rhyme "The Gunfight behind Fly's Photo Studio and Boarding House near the OK Corral."

Oh ye of little faith,where's my harmonicy~~

[GunClick Rick]

One sherrif in a town of thousands
gonna get a little rough,when some start carousin
there will be a toe or two,that get stepped on
when the lawdog hollers"Git Gone"

Just another day in the town of Tombstone
the man wearin the badge,has brothers and they've been honed
things quiet for now,but there is stench of cow~~~~~~
      ~In the air~
Then it all breaks loose,by a  drunked up cayuse,
to late to take flight,they're all gonna die a ridin high in this rodeo hoardin louse, today with thier pals~~~~~~

At the Gunfight behind Fly's Photo Studio and Boarding House near the OK Corral."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~