Pietta or Uberti?

[Mossyrock]

Whcih one is more "correct", better fitted and better finished?  I know the Pietta can be had for less money, but cheaper is not always better.....

[Mossyrock]

Oh, come on....24 views and NO ONE has an opinion?!?  I thought this was a guns and shooting board?  How do you get 24 shooters together and NOT have an opinion?!?   

[Major 2]

Ford VS Chevy...each has it's following

I'm partial to Uberti from my 2nd Gen. Colts to my Henry's

[Lucky R. K.]

I just bought a 5-1/2" Remington 1858 from Cabelas($199.00) to use as a backup for my Ruger Old Armies.  Yesterday I put 50 rounds (25 with 20 grains 3F Elephant and 25 with 25 grains 3F Elephant all with DD's Pecos Pete bullet) thru the gun.  No misfires, no mechanical problems and no real fouling problems even with Elephant.  I did clean the cylinder pin after about three cylinders fired.  Accuracy at 7 yards was excellent, even for me.

Other than the longer hammer throw of the 1858(I have short thumbs) it performed as well as my Rugers. I don't know if I got a good one or they all do that well.  In my opinion it is a quality firearm.

I have no experience with a Uberti.

Lucky

[Mossyrock]

OK, let's say you wanted a '58 that was as close to historically correct as possible, as far as design and construction.  I SUSPECT that it would be an Uberti.....  Speaking of historically correct, how were the originals blued?  Rust blue?  Charcoal blue?

[Montana Slim]

I'd say its a draw between Pietta & Uberti. I have, or have had, handled, repaired or modified both.
I occasionally work on C&B's for my friends and relatives & find neither producer is perfect, I couldn't even list all the goofy stuff I've seen & repaired.

If I were to buy, I'd likely go with the Pietta. As far as finish, I'd go with the standard offering, modern hot blue. Charcoal blue doesn't last real well & I've seen some good condition originals and their finish has a look that is not similar to any of your choices you can buy.

Pull out a good reference book with photos & notice the difference between a true model 1858 & the model offered by Pietta, Uberti, etc....these are really the New Model...I believe of 1863.

Regards,
Slim

[Mossyrock]

The reason I ask about finish is that I wasnt to defarb one and refinish it to as close as the original finish as possible.  I can do rust blue and nitre blue.  Seems to me that would probably be close to the original finish.

[Raven]

Nitre Blue @ 750 degrees will give a finish that is close to the original charcoal blue/black and is much more durable than what the Italians call charcoal blue. Don't quench!!! let it air cool then rinse in boiling water.

As for Uberti or Pietta it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other neither one is Historicly correct they both use features from originals.

Raven

[Mossyrock]

Nitre Blue @ 750 degrees will give a finish that is close to the original charcoal blue/black and is much more durable than what the Italians call charcoal blue. Don't quench!!! let it air cool then rinse in boiling water.

As for Uberti or Pietta it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other neither one is Historicly correct they both use features from originals.

Raven

Any issues with heat treat or warpage at that temp?

[Raven]

The temp is not high enough to effect heat treat or cause warpage

Nitre Blue, Charcoal blue, Carbona blue are all heat blues! the main difference is the medium. Steel goes through several colors once you get above the Bright blues in the 500 to 600 degree range first it will lose color then it will be a redish then red with purple spots and finaly blue/black at about 700 to 750 degrees. Polish will affect the color you should probably experiment a little

Raven

[Harley Starr]

Nitre Blue, Charcoal blue, Carbona blue; is there any real difference between the these blues or are they the same?

Don't know much about the finishes.

[Mossyrock]

The temp is not high enough to effect heat treat or cause warpage

Nitre Blue, Charcoal blue, Carbona blue are all heat blues! the main difference is the medium. Steel goes through several colors once you get above the Bright blues in the 500 to 600 degree range first it will lose color then it will be a redish then red with purple spots and finaly blue/black at about 700 to 750 degrees. Polish will affect the color you should probably experiment a little

Raven

Thanks.  I've done lots of bright blue screws and pins, but nothing this big before.  Should be an adventure....

[boilerplatejackson]

I own 3 remingtons made by Pietta, and three Remingtons made by Uberti. Of the two I prefer the Ubertis. The Ubertis
seem to have better lock work. However last spring I bought another 1860 Army and its lockwork seemed on par with
Ubertis. The Piettas I own are older and were bought used. I also shoot cartridge conversions in both brands.  You do get
what you pay for.

[Wagon Box Willy]

I own  Pietta 1858 and Uberti 1875's.  Fit is about the same on each but Blue finish is definitely prettier on the Pietta.  The Uberti seems dull.  I just treated the Uberti's with Eezox and it has made the blue look a bit closer to the untreated Pietta.

As far as hand fit, I think that those with smaller hands, or at least shorter thumbs will find the Uberti a bit easier to cock as the hammer sits a bit closer to the thumb on the Uberti.

  -Willy  

[Hoof Hearted]

If your intention is to "defarb" and refinish.........

I prefer the Pietta. I can't get past the grip screw placement on the Uberti's
Stands out like a turd in a punch bowl.........

The dovetailed sight and rammer latch also are not period correct.

From there, like said before, Ford vs. Chevy.
Pietta has picked their quality up a bunch and if you buy from Cabela's they'll take it bach if you have issues.

HH

[Flint]

I see that suddenly some months ago Pietta's part prices jumped radically, from about half of Uberti's prices to well over.  The revolvers themselves are still under Uberti's price, but not the parts, unless you can find parts bought before the price change.  Cabelas still has some of those.

The dovetail sight and barrel stud are a Godsend for those who shorten a barrel, or replace a Pietta sight that fell off.  Practical trumps period correct sometimes.

[Hoof Hearted]

Whcih one is more "correct", better fitted and better finished?  I know the Pietta can be had for less money, but cheaper is not always better.....

The OP asked which is more correct.

The Pietta grip screw placement is more correct.......
The Uberti is low and off center. I can only presume why.

I also find the Pietta to fit the hand better but Walt kirst and I have compared many originals and they also differ in grip shape, angle and size.

I never said I didn't like the dovetailed rammer catch and front sight and use them from time to time on shortened bbls or for replacement. But they are not "correct" for an original Remington.

[Indian Outlaw]

I don't like Uberti's grip screw placement either.

I handled a 5.5" Pietta .44 in a store recently. It was the nicest Remington I have yet handled. And so I just ordered one from Cabelas for only $199.99 (the store wanted $339.99).

[Bishop Creek]

I don't like Uberti's grip screw placement either.

I handled a 5.5" Pietta .44 in a store recently. It was the nicest Remington I have yet handled. And so I just ordered one from Cabelas for only $199.99 (the store wanted $329.99).

I think that was a wise choice. I have owned many model "1858s" over the years made by Euroarms, Uberti and Pietta, and I like the Piettas best of all.

I now have four Pietta Remmies:

1. Typical Cabelas type model made in 1999 that has an action job and the forcing cone cut that shoots and handles like a dream. I shoot it cap and ball and with a Kirst convertion cylinder. After years of shooting, cleaning, and polishing, it now has a finish like a Colt.

2. "Shooters" Model, that is beautiful with authentic "Remington" barrel markings and is a tack driver, though I sure wouldn't pay the $700 that Dixie Gun Works wants for them now.

3. 5.5" barrel .44 made in 2006 that shoots great right out of the box.

4. .36 with an R&D conversion cylinder and barrel lined to .357 that also shoots quite well although I can no longer use the cap and ball cylinder with the barrel lined.

Pistol number one is my favorite.

[Indian Outlaw]

The gun arrived. It is quite nice. The grips are bland, and so I sent it off to a gripmaker for some stags. The loading lever latch spring sticks, but this is very minor and might work itself loose over time.