1911 cartridge box

[rebsr52339]

Does anyone know what the .45ACP cartridge boxes looked like in the 1911 period? Thought I would like to make some or find a vendor who does. Does anyone have a colored photo of the box art. That would work for me. Thought it would be nice to have a dozen or so for the matches.

[litl rooster]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=196766532
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=197569944

I am sure others have them listed but here is a start

[SGT John Chapman]

I'm working on the salmon colored ones from the late '20s to mid '30s and the red FA boxes and a real early one I can't yet date from Maxim Munitions Corporation, but this rear 1942 tracer box got me so it was first.





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[SGT John Chapman]

I have that NM 45 ACP box Litl Rooster posted links to, to do yet also....

[rebsr52339]

Thanks for the replys and photos. Would I be correct in assuming that the Military rounds would come in 20 round boxes?

[SGT John Chapman]

Yes, I think along about 1942/43 it seems they switched to 50 round boxes....

[litl rooster]

Sgt Chapman, Your more an expert than I but, I believe the 20 packs went even after WWII


how was disposal perscribed, does any one know?

[SGT John Chapman]

No Sir I'm just guessin by the lot dates,...I'm sure there was a lot of overlaping.

[Adirondack Jack]

No Sir I'm just guessin by the lot dates,...I'm sure there was a lot of overlaping.

True enough.  I have a box of 1950's vintage stuff in a brown pasteboard, 20 round box.  My FIL says he remembers boxes just like it from Navy use in WWII

[St. George]

Different Services had differing requirements and the 20-round boxes of M1911 Ball 'will' have 1950's dates.

The 20-round boxes of Tracer can have dates up through the middle '60's, and were issued (along with Shot cartridges and a special 10" smoothbore barrel) with various Survival Kits.

The 50-round boxes came about with the adoption of the M1928A1 and M1 Thompsons.

'Disposal' meant that fired cases were to be shipped back to Frankford Arsenal for reloading - following the earlier practice of reloading at a more local level.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[litl rooster]

The 50-round boxes came about with the adoption of the M1928A1 and M1 Thompsons.

That would have a bearing on it.

[Adirondack Jack]

Just to be clear, the 50's vintage 20 rd box I have is regular Ball.  I just looked for it, but I think it's buried in a chest of stuff I can't get to right now......   I also seem to remember pics of "Liberator" pistol kits (If that's the right name, thinking of that stamped sheet metal thing), with 10 rounds of ammo included with the pistol.

[St. George]

The 'Liberator' pistol was packed with 10 rounds - sometimes loaded into the weapon - sometimes wrapped in green waxed paper.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[rebsr52339]

Thanks a lot for the info on this. SOOOOOO what I am looking for is a 20 round box of .45ACP Ball ammo made under Government contract and issued around 1911 thru 1918 or so. OK now the search for a photo begins.
  You know I wonder who the contractors were, Winshester, Remington, Union or Frankfort Arsenal etc.

[SGT John Chapman]

I just found an article that said Maxim Munitions Corporation made .45 Auto only in 1917, the factory closed in January 1918.

[St. George]

I have a number of original, pre-WWI boxes - including .38 - all are 'Frankford Arsenal'.

At the time of issue, the Government made its own ammunition, and would continue to do so until the needs of the Great War demanded greater quantities.

Earliest box label colors range from Tan - Salmon - Rose - depending upon production run.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[rebsr52339]

Thanks for all the info---again. That is a nice photo SGT John. Thanks

[Capt'n Jack]

Don't forget the 21 round boxes packed in half moon clips for the revolvers.  Somewhere I do have some boxes from that period, I wills give a look see and post pics if I find them.  I have crafted drawings for reproduction boxes I use just for the fun of it.  They are close to the original done from pics of originals.

[SGT John Chapman]

21 is odd,...?.....I found a 24....soon as I get some house work done I have to jump back in to these boxes....

[St. George]

From Ordnance records - '21' rounds weren't issued - '24' were, since they were clipped up for the Model 1917's.

You'll see half-moon 100-count clip boxes with WWII dates, too - usually from San Antonio.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!