GAF as a side match?

[Bow View Haymaker]

I have a new idea, I know that frightens many of you , even me.  

There are wild bunch side matches, plainsman side matches, long range and speed side matches.
How about a GAF approved battle rifle skirmish side match that could be included at any multi-day SASS, NCOWS, or independent club CAS shooting event.  Course of fire would have to be flexible to accommodate what is available at the host club/range.  But I am thinking of one or two long courses of fire like the trail walk and the fort at the Dept of Missouri muster.  Or at least a CAS stage with lots of reloading and some longer distance targets plus shooting from cover and advancing on the targets.  This could be a way for people who haven't been able to get to a muster  to see what a GAF type match looks like.  

What say you?

Brvt Maj. Bow View Haymaker,
eastern battalion, division Nebraska Department or Missouri.

[Niederlander]

The intention of our local club for next year is to do all of our stages in the new GAF format, with all must-hit, knock-down targets.  People shooting cowboy guns will just shoot them in the new format.  Ah, the advantages of being the club President, Treasurer, Custodian, Groundskeeper, etc.!!  I've bounced it off a couple of our regulars, and they love the idea.  It will be interesting when people have to do more reloading on the clock and moving!

[Bow View Haymaker]

Yes and when we were doing monthly matches we offered the GAF categories (but no interest here).  I am thinking that a side match at a regular SASS or NCOWS event would get the new GAF format some more exposure and offer CAS shooters a new and different challenge. 

[scooter]

     


          At the 2010 Grand Muster, you might see all of those that you mentioned.  It might remind you of the OWSA shoot at Raton, NM.  Just remember we are just having FUN and reliving the Victorian period.


          Scooter

[Bow View Haymaker]

I am really looking forward to the Grand muster.  The GAF mindset is soo different that SASS or NCWOS.  My idea of a side match that can be added to any existing multi day event is to give the SASS and NCOWS regulars a chance to try it when they probably wouldn't bother otherwise.  I'm thinking of venues like the state and regional SASS events.  just a thought.

[Bow View Haymaker]

I have heard of some clubs now holding Wild Bunch matches as a seperate event form the regular SASS match on a different weekend even.  Wouldn't it be great if The GAF battle rifle /skirmish could grow the same way. 

[Evelyn Canarvon]

That sounds like an interesting idea

[Niederlander]

We're small enough that we can sort of do both.  We're done for this year with our regularly scheduled matches, but next April we'll be starting up again with the new format of all knock-down, all must-hit targets.  Shooters will have their choice of shooting cowboy guns or GAF guns, and we'll make sure each stage will include some shotgun friendly targets.  We tried a stage Saturday using the knock-downs we already have, and it was a hit!  People like to see something fall when they shoot it.  Scoring is easier, too.  Either it falls down or it doesn't.  It's going to take a little retraining to get people to end on an empty chamber or an empty cartridge and then empty anything left in the magazine at the unloading table.  The timer has to be on the ball to make sure shooters move only with a safe gun, but it works well.  Shooters also have to be a lot more prepared to reload from their body.  Those cartridge belts actually get used!

[Captain Lee Bishop]

Reminds of a "assualt course" i helped set up with a WW2 re-enact group years back. We had paper outline targets of various sizes t distances. You had o run from one to the other and halfway, there a nayonet dummy. You could either fix baynets just for that or go through the course of fire with the pig sticker in place. We had an utter blast, would love to see something like that done for 19th century stuff...

[Niederlander]

Captain Bishop,
     Come to the Department of the Missouri Muster next year and you'll see it in action!  Both the Main Match and the Expansion Era Match will be all knock-downs and all must-hit targets.  Bayonet dummies, too!  With any luck, we should have a minimum of forty to fifty knock-down targets available by then.  (We only had five last year.)  Should be a blast!

[Bow View Haymaker]

I think its great that the clubs have been able to combine GAF with the main matcnes.  What I have in mind is something thatcan be added to a SASS match as sort of an intro to the GAF type of stage.  I am going to try to set up 1 GAF type stage with one of the SASS vlubs I have started shooting with out here.  just a seperate stage we can shooot after the regular match.  probably shoot it with the regular CAS rifles aw in the Scout class.   The stage will  be something like 6-10 pistol shots and 11-15 rifle so there would be some reloading of both and the rifle  and pistol.  targets would be out farther than they would be used to.  Part of the rifle shot from a rest or cover. 

Any ideas?  thoughts?  suggestions?

I don't have a rifle caliber rifle to demonstrate so basicly the diferent stge designs would be what I would show. 

thanks

[cpt dan blodgett]

i've got a 98 Krag rifle, perhaps we could coordinate the demonstration.

[Bow View Haymaker]

that might work

Are you goiong to shoot with the Alter Valley Pistoleos this month?
I an going to call tommorow and see what they will let me do.

[cpt dan blodgett]

Where and when do they shoot

[Bow View Haymaker]

Alter Vally shoots the 3rd and 5th Sundays at the Tucson Rifle Club, about 25 miles west of Tucson.  the matches are run by the same folks that put of "Bordertown".

I am also wanting to try the Rio Salado club but coudn't make the fri night intro.  There is also a couple NM clubs at Silver City and Las Cruces I might visit.

Where do youl shoot at?

[cpt dan blodgett]

Ben Avery
3rd Sunday in January is definitely out as I have mom duty (take care of mom vs act like one) that week end.

[Bow View Haymaker]

I'd love to come shoot at Ben Averybut the 2nd Sat is out for a couple months.  Maybe in March.

How big are your monthly shoots?  Any chance of a GAF stage?

[cpt dan blodgett]

Depends, in the heat of the summer 40 -60, when it gets cool 100+
Would have to talk to them about a GAF stage.

[Bow View Haymaker]

Something to keep in mind.  

I'll try to dig up a few stages that would work with 1 pistoland a rifle andpost them here.

with the ranges around hear and the divided action bays a true skirmish just wont work, butI think we can come up with somthing with the GAF feel using the SASS range layout.

[Curley Cole]

5Dogs in Bakersfield has held a couple of Victorian/Military matches the most recent being about a year ago;

http://sdough.smugmug.com/Art/SheBang-2010/14573082_KGJNNK#1083297211_yk8JQ

http://sdough.smugmug.com/Art/5-Dogs-Cowboy-Match/7633334_f5mLzv#493476913_3J524

They are really fun to shoot and Old Top loves using his trapdoor....

curley