325gr and smokeless

[wyattm]

I have 325gr bullets for my Chappy 45-75 with 26 inch barrel. I have IMR 3031, IMR 4350, and IMR 4831. What load could I use for these powders with the 325gr and 350gr. I am looking for a load that does not require fillers.
Thanks
Wyatt

[FriscoCounty]

A full case of black powder (FFg or FFFg).  That's about 62 - 75 grains, depending on your case. 

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

You MUST check this site out.  Hobie is an authority;

http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/search/label/45-75

[wyattm]

Thank you gentlemen. Have taken note.
Wyatt

[larryo_1]

I have tried them and prefer either 72 or 76 grains of Swiss 1½ black powder.  For me it shoots cleaner than GOEX or the rest.  Could be the difference in humidity but I like it.  In my rifle with its larger chamber the 76 grain load under a Hoch 350 grain bullet at 16:1 alloy shoots in at about 1450 with my chronograph and is pretty darn accurate.  Does kick a mite tho.

[RON]

It would appear that you did not read the question. He asked about 3031,4831 "smokeless powders" .. If you don't know,, don't respond. But "Please" quit saying BP<BP<BP.
H-4831 works very well for me.
I use it in a original 45-75 and my new copy. Chaparral.
Sorry but some of us have been using smokeless for years. Granddad used Dupont #2. He had a keg and used most of it.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

RON;  BP>BP>BP>BP>BP>BP>BP>BP>BP!

My Chappie NWMP carbine has tasted nothing but the Holy Black.

HST; I know some are hesitant about the real gunpowder for many good reasons but BP firearms work best with BP.

[Cimarron]

It would appear that you did not read the question. He asked about 3031,4831 "smokeless powders" .. If you don't know,, don't respond. But "Please" quit saying BP<BP<BP.
H-4831 works very well for me.
I use it in a original 45-75 and my new copy. Chaparral.
Sorry but some of us have been using smokeless for years. Granddad used Dupont #2. He had a keg and used most of it.

Ron, you make a relevant point.  When it comes to smokeless I use 5744 which was recomended by some of the shooters here.

[john boy]

XMP 5744 ...

[RON]

BP rifles work fine with smokeless and most of the time work better. Almost all cartridges were made for BP and converted to smokeless. I have moved up to 51 grains of H4831 and it shoots point of aim at 100 yards. No signs of pressure very mild recoil and a really good / fun round.
You guys got to get over your selves. Just because you use BP that don't make it BEST!! It makes it another choice.

Ron

[Hobie]

For whatever reasons it is an unfortunate fact that some folks CAN NOT use BP.  They can't get it, can't have it, etc...  For those people smokeless is the only solution.  To ridicule the solution because we are blessed is, well, less than charitable and not the cowboy way. 

[larryo_1]

Ron:
I tried that 51 grain load that you mentioned.  Ran it through my chronograph and it is only about 1230 or so fps.  Have you moved up in that powder charge any?  I got alot of unburned powder grains in my cases and in the barrel which is typical of 4831 unless it is a case full.  the 4831 that I am using is the Old Style stuff not the new stuff.  I didn't use magnum primers but might give that a try.  Actually, the accuracy was quite good considering all those powder grains.  Am curious if you increased the charge or used a card over the powder.  My rifle is a very early Uberti 45-75 with the large chamber.  i have never had any problems with this rifle.  the brass that I used was new jamison-fireformed of course.

[RON]

I am still working on H4831. I am sorry if my comments were not WESTERN or cowboy enough. I just got tired of people asking a decent question about smokeless just to have people who have not and will not ever under any circumstances use smokeless give advice about BP. I just stinks when someone wants to discuss smokeless to have the BP people hijack the thread.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I did not mean-to-be-mean about smokeless.  Some cartridges just seem right for BP use.  I do recognize that there are some areas where BP is not readily available, and some situations where smokeless is called for.

For .45-70, my Pedersoli Sharps gets BP as her regular diet.  The Browning '86 BLR SRC gets a moderate dose of 4895, to match BP velocities.

My Hi-Wall re-bored to .38-55 does brilliantly on a Schuetzen load of smokeless, but does almost the same on FFFg GOEX

The Chappie NWMP Carbine, I HAVE DECIDED, will be fed only BP.

What I am saying is give BP a chance.

[Joe Lansing]

    What others are saying, including myself, is give smokeless a chance. The Holy Wars of the Reformation are over. Let's live together in peace and harmony.

                                                            JL

[wildman1]

I am still working on H4831. I am sorry if my comments were not WESTERN or cowboy enough. I just got tired of people asking a decent question about smokeless just to have people who have not and will not ever under any circumstances use smokeless give advice about BP. I just stinks when someone wants to discuss smokeless to have the BP people hijack the thread.

I use both smokeless and BP, from what I have seen of your posts you are as anti BP as you are accusing other people of being anti smokeless. WM

[RON]

I am not anti BP .. I have several BP firearms and use it and like it for fun. My objection has always been to "stick to the question". If you don't have anything to add, don't try and hijack the thread. Some of us are looking for information on smokeless and the BP people just interfere. I don't and have not ever hijacked one of the Swiss, or 777 threads. I don't care.. I do care about discussing smokeless in a 45-75. If you don't shoot smokeless move on.

[wildman1]

    What others are saying, including myself, is give smokeless a chance. The Holy Wars of the Reformation are over. Let's live together in peace and harmony.

                                                            JL

I agree 100%, I am thinking the other gent was sayin give BP a chance or try it. It was just a suggestion as I see it. NO NEED TA BE RUDE RON. WM

[RON]

I guess I will try this again. I have tried BP. I use BP on pistols and some front loaders. I guess either you can't read good, or you are deliberately obtuse, as my objection has nothing to do with giving BP a chance. My objection is that people who only shoot BP want to control, coerce, or manipulate a thread on SMOKELESS in a direction other than smokeless. I am working a load of H4831 and I have just about run out of room in the case. I am now ready to entertain a new powder that will fill at least 75% of the case and get my velocities to about 1500. I am at 1300 now...  Does anyone who actually shoots smokeless have any suggestions???

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I mentioned above that I have tried 4895 in the .45-70.  The NRA  magazine The Rifleman talked of it as a good powder for mid-range target work in bottlenecked cases.  It worked well for me at about 60% of a full load in the 7mm 08. Cloverleaf groups with a Rem 700 Varmiter.  It also works for me in the .45-70 BLR/SRC, in a load that matches BP velocity. 

I'd check it with the powder companies before going with it in the '76.

Did you check out "hobie's" blog.  He has several smokeless loads he has tested.