Can you use jacketed bullets in the '58 45acp

[curtism1234]

I was looking at getting one of the old style Kirst 45acp cylinders. I know their website says to use lead but a search here showed a member was shooting everything through it.

Factory lead acp rounds are hard to find and I'll probably have HSM make them - last I heard they were 6 months behind.
Cabelas is about 5 weeks behind on Ultramax too.

In the mean time, do you think it would be "ok" to shoot a couple hundred rounds of jacketed ammo through my Pietta?
I assume the Kirst is up to such feat. How will it affect the rifling in my barrel???

[Professor Marvel]

The Remington New Model Army design is well over 150 years old now, was designed for use with pure lead round balls,  and came into use long long before copper jacketed bullets were in use. Our Good Herr Kirst specifically advised against it, and for good reason. The reasons are numerous and rather than wax philosophical upon them all, I will simply state this:

Whilst mayhaps you can, that does not necessarily mean you should.

Elongated bullets put more stress on the works than Round Balls, due to the increased bearing surface of the elongated bullet.

Jacketed bullets are hard
Pure Lead Bullets are soft

Hard bullets put undue strain and unneeded recoil on the entire mechanism, the barrel, forcing cone, frame, cylinder, and further brutally shove the cylinder ratchet into the back of the frame.

If you really like your Remmie and don't want to have to buy a new one too soon, I would advise against it.
If you just cannot bear it any longer and simply must shoot your .45 ACP cylinder, you can pick up a Lee Loader, box of shells, primers, powder, and soft lead bullets for very cheap and Do It Yourself . You may find you actually enjoy reloading.

You can even get away with shoving a Roundball on top of a primed case 3/4 full of 3F BP and shoot Cartridges without any loading tools.

Or you can just load up your C&B cylinder like the rest of us old timey rascals.

yhs
prof marvel

[Raven]

Here! Here!! Professor Marvel

Couldn't have said it better.

Raven, AKA Jay Strite
Kirst Konverter LLC/Kirst & Strite

[TwoSams]

So, does that mean that you can't or shouldn't use "hard cast" bullets?  Most commercially cast are advertised as "hard cast".  Would it be better to cast my own using pure lead?  I've been wondering about this for some time.

John

[Raven]

Replica Revolvers are manufactured using designs over 100 years old. They are made for the most parts from Low Carbon steel.
They just were not designed to withstand the same pressures and abuse a modern revolver is designed to withstand.

Kirst cylinders exceed SAAMI Specs. The Kirst cylinder can withstand loads that WILL destroy your revolver

Our position on ammo is

Lead Bullets ONLY !!
Under 1000 FPS

No Jacketed Bullets !
with the exception of the Ruger Old Army.

We cannot give advice on specific loads for liability reasons.

Kirst Konverter has a 100% No Bullshit Warrenty don't jeperdize your warrenty use the proper ammo.

Raven AKA Jay Strite
Kirst & Strite/ Kirst Konverter LLC

[Professor Marvel]

Here! Here!! Professor Marvel

Couldn't have said it better.

Raven, AKA Jay Strite
Kirst Konverter LLC/Kirst & Strite

Why Thank you my dear Raven - you are far too kind to this poor demented scrivener and snake-oil merchant.

So, does that mean that you can't or shouldn't use "hard cast" bullets? 

Unequivocabely "shouldn't"

but not "can't" - It's a free country! one can do whatever one pleases within the confines of the jurisprudence
but as previously stated, it doesn't mean one should . I can take my subaru waaaay past redline, but we all know that it is not "good" for it; however without a well equipped lab we will never know how many times I can get away with it before she blows, nor exactly how much damage is incurred each time I risk it.

I am quite sure you will find Happy Campers all over who will tell you they have run "hunnerts and hunnerts of hot jacketed hollow points" thru their conversion "and it still be jest fine". I for one don't see any point to it and prefer to stay within the safe limits of the design, knowing then that it will last damn near forever...

Would it be better to cast my own using pure lead? 

yuppers my dear TwoSams, whilst I find that the mailorder houses sell soft lead bullets, and the bigbox Sportman's BigHouse also carries them, it is far more cheap economical to cast them oneself; It is neither rocket surgery nor does does it requires lots of expensive equipment. A hot plate, a pot, and a store-bought ladle and mold are all that are required. I also find it to be an inexpensive Zen-like experience allowing me to be getting out from underfoot of She Who Must Be Obeyed...

yhs
prof marvel

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