Remington New Model Army

[Grizhicks]

All -- Looking at purchasing 2, 1858 Remington New Model Armys from Cimarron Firearms, in their original finish.  Does anyone have these guns?  Pro?  Cons?  Thanks, Grizhicks

[Deadguy]

Pros-
1. Additional wear and rust will not be noticeable on these guns, and even if you do see it, it will look like it belongs there.
2. The Remington design is both simple and strong.
3.  They handle drop-in cartridge conversions very well.

Cons-
1. Some people get their middle fingers battered by the trigger guard, since it is fairly close to the grip.
2. If you use a lubricated wad instead of topping off your chamber with lube, the gun will foul up and seize fairly quickly.

[Noz]

If you haven't shot a similar gun, don't buy until you do.

I started with Remingtons and was not happy. I was going to get out of Frontiersman until I picked up an 1860 Army by Pietta. The  1851s, 1858s, 1860s, 1861s ALL feel different in your hand. I can't shoot an 1851/1861 and dislike the Remingtons.

[Abilene]

Grizhicks,
One con is that Cimarron is currently out of '58's except for .36 Cal.  But there are other sources for the Uberti Remmies(or Piettas) and antiqueing it yourself isn't that hard to do.

[jefff]

the remington58 is my choice for bp revolver stronger.easy to clean and is a much more cute than a clunky colt.

[Paladin UK]

Jefff says.......

the remington58 is my choice for bp revolver stronger.easy to clean and is a much more cute than a clunky colt.

Standby.......................INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paladin (What reckons this is gonna get reeeeeeel innerestin!!  ) UK

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Jefff says.......

Standby.......................INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paladin (What reckons this is gonna get reeeeeeel innerestin!!  ) UK

put yer kevlar on...LOL

LR (acoltman)

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

I have 2 1858 Remmies. The first one I bought back around 1975. It is a EuroArms import. EuroArms was a company importing guns made by a number of different companies. The actual manufacturer of the gun was Armi San Paolo in Italy. My other Remmie is a Stainless Uberti version. This one is much newer, I bought it used about 5 or 6 years ago.

Here is a photo of the two of them. The Blue one on the bottom is the EuroArms, the Stainless is the Uberti.



I'm pretty sure that most of the revolvers Cimarron sells are actually made by Uberti. Uberti 1858 revolvers are actually slightly larger than the originals. My old EuroArms is the same size as an original. With them both in hand, the Uberti weighs around 4 ounces more than the EuroArms. In the photo, both of my Remmies are wearing their R&D conversion cylinders chambered for 45 Colt, although I usually shoot them with 45 Schofields for slightly less recoil. Black Powder of course, no subs.

One thing you need to know about the 1858 design is it is very prone to binding with Black Powder. This is in part because of a defect in the original design. There is no raised bushing on the front of the cylinder to keep fouling blasted out of the barrel cylinder gap away from the cylinder base pin. So fouling builds up quickly on the base pin, causing the cylinder to bind. This is even true when I shoot ammo loaded with Big Lube bullets and liberally lubed with SPG. Since I take the cylinders out to reload them every time, I always wipe down the front face of the cylinder with a damp rag. Otherwise they will bind up on me after just 2 cylinders full. This is true with either Black Powder cartridges or Cap & Ball. It is simply a defect in the design. Remington corrected this with their cartridge design of 1875, including a raised bushing on the front of the cylinder. But the 1858s are prone to binding. There are a couple of tricks you can try, but even so, my Remmies bind up much quicker than my pair of Pietta 1860 Army Colt replicas. I can shoot them through an entire 8 stage match with no binding.

But the Remmies are great for strength, with their solid frame and top strap. They are also very accurate, particularly with the cartridge cylinders, because the tolerances are very tight.

[Montana Slim]

the remington58 is my choice for bp revolver stronger.easy to clean and is a much more cute than a clunky colt.

Howdy Jeff!
I have a 4" "bobbed" Remington for close-up work...It's nice...but, as you may suspect I dooo like my Colts 

Slim

[Flint]

I modified a few Remingtons by adding a gas ring (bushing) to the cylinders and cutting a space for them in the frame below the barrel.

[Dick Dastardly]

Flint, Pard, that looks like what Ruger did with their Old Armies.  It really does cure the cylinder base pin binding question.  Thanks for posting.

Now, how much would you charge to modify other Remington (clones)?

DD-DLoS

[Flint]

I figure about $75-$80, about $30 per cylinder if there's more than one.   Flint

[Percussion Pete]

I had an 1858. It beat the snot out of my finger.

If you have dainty hands, and like cute guns. Buy it.

Otherwise get a Colt.

[Wolfgang]

I have a "few" of 'em.   Mostly make by Pietta, . . . and I LOVE 'em.   But the suggestion that you try shooting them first is a good one.  All the various cap & ball repicas have a different "feel" to them and what one shooter loves may not work for another.   

http://www.drburkholter.com/cf6.html A few '58s, bottom of the page.

Good shootin', . . . 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy Again

I will admit there is something about the 1858 grip shape that is different than the Colt grip shape. When shooting full house 45 Colt Black Powder loads with 250 grain bullets out of my R&D conversion cylinders, it is a bit more uncomfortable than shooting the same bullets out of my Colts. However, shooting 45 Schofields with 28 or so grains of powder and 200 grain bullets tames the discomfort considerably, and they don't hurt at all.

But 30 grains of powder and a 44 caliber round ball out of the original C&B cylinder should not hurt anybody. No more recoil than a modern 38 Special. The ball is only about the same weight as a 38 Semi-Wadcutter, and it is held in place with much less force than a crimped bullet. This all results in some pretty mild recoil.

[jefff]

Howdy Jeff!
I have a 4" "bobbed" Remington for close-up work...It's nice...but, as you may suspect I dooo like my Colts 

Slim

congrats on kicking my hind end at the ncows national it was a great shoot.maybe next year i can get you to load my pistols and give you a run for your money.if i had just been faster and not missed so much but then whats the fun in that.jeff

[Montana Slim]

   congrats on kicking my hind end at the ncows national it was a great shoot.maybe next year i can get you to load my pistols and give you a run for your money.if i had just been faster and not missed so much but then whats the fun in that.jeff

But...you DID give me a run this year......!!

On a less serious note.....I'd love to load your pistols...sure, uh-huh.... please 

Slim

[jefff]

then i get to pick yours or mine to shoot?right