daughter wants to shoot BP

[Buffalow Red]

my daughter wants to shoot BP so i need to down load some 44-40 with marv dutchmen bollets for her to use in rifle & the vacqueros any ideas other than wads

also my 12g shells of 70 grains BP porbbly to stout for her
she will shoot for first time sass next month at higgensville,
so any & all ideas are appreciated
i got a can of 777.  i have never used this powder, can you leave air space in this powder
i been useing goex or swiss in past just fill er up smash her down & crimp
this past weak end she shot my vacqueros & rifle & other than the recoil shes excited

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

In the .44-40, 21 grains of FFFg with cream of wheat to top it up gives about 700 fps in my Vaqueros with the RCBS 44-200-FP.

12 gauge loaded with about 55 to 60 grains of FFg and 7/8 to 1 oz of shot works for most CAS targets.

[Springfield Slim]

Switching to 165 grain 44Slim bullets will help cut recoil also. I noticed a difference in my Opentops. ffg instead of fffg helps too. Never used any subs but some of them are more powerful than the real thing.

[john boy]

i got a can of 777.  i have never used this powder, can you leave air space in this powder

Red, with reference to Triple 7 powder, you should read the loading data details on the Hodgdon website ...
http://www.hodgdon.com/tripleseven.html
Scroll to the bottom of this main page for all the H777 links!

[Pulp]

I've found a 7/8 oz Lee shot dipper of Pyrodex under the same dipper full of shot works very well, and light recoil.  I've used it in everything from 20 gauge to 10 gauge.  Goex would be very similar.

You'll have to play with column length to get a good crimp.  The load I'm using currently is a 1oz Lee shot dipper of Pyro, and Winchester Red Wad (which I've heard they don't make anymore) and the same dipper of shot.  It will fill most 12 gauge hulls to just the right depth.

For the least amount of recoil, go with American Pioneer.  At least it produces the lowest velocities amongst the real stuff and the other subs equivalent loads from the tests I've read and done.  But I'm not sure if you can use filler on top of APP, you'll have to check that out.

Good shootin' to your daughter and you.  SASS, and all other shooting sports, need all the kids it can get.

[Jefro]

Switching to 165 grain 44Slim bullets will help cut recoil also. I noticed a difference in my Opentops. ffg instead of fffg helps too. Never used any subs but some of them are more powerful than the real thing.

Howdy Red, great to hear your daughter is ready for the Dark Side, I'm shore you're a proud dad. Like Slim said, for pistols the 44Slim and ffg will help, and a little cream of wheat for the rifle. My advice would be to stick with BP also. For the shotgun, here are a few reduced loads I use when my gal shoots BP. Good Luck
1 1/8oz shot, Rem SP12 wad,50gr ffg.
1oz shot with Rem RXP12 wad-45gr ffg.
3/4oz shot with Win Pink wad-46gr ffg (Heather's favorite) Loads may need to be adjusted a few grains depending on brand of powder. I use Shuetzen, so I think with Goex reduce 2gr for the same colunm height.

Jefro

[Cactus Cris]

Had my G'daughter shooting for a while & she used my 12 ga loads as follows:
1oz shot- grey ww wad- 27gr 3f schuetzen used a #24 MEC powder bushing.  If she is 13 or under the KD don't have to go down to count, but this load did anyway.  She used a .38 rifle & .38 Gouchos loaded down with real BP.  She did right well for a 13yr old.  2nd place at WR 08 & 09.