Rifle Owned by Gen. Custer's Scout

Started by Shotgun Steve, March 26, 2010, 01:45:48 PM

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Shotgun Steve


This rifle was owned by White Man Runs Him, General George
A. Custer's scout at the Battle of Little Big Horn. It is hand
decorated with Native American symbols and is 47 inches long.
It carries a pre-sale estimate of $15,000-$25,000.


ESSEX, Mass. — A rare rifle owned by Gen. Custer's scout will be offered by Kaminski Auctions during a two day auction next week. The two-day event features antiques, fine art, collectibles and maritime memorabilia from estates spanning Massachusetts to Kaminski's second location in California.

The rifle was originally owned by White Man Runs Him, General George A. Custer's famous Crow scout at the Battle of Little Big Horn (June 25, 1876). Custer's scout adorned the rifle with cultural symbols and regarded it as sacred, often using it in tribal ceremonies. It measures 47 inches in length. It is expected to hammer down between $15,000-$25,000.

The rifle finally sold for $21,850.

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Sir Charles deMouton-Black

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Dr. Bob

Not a trap door.  I would have to agree with Sir Charles!
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Delmonico

Could be one of those "Zulu" shotguns, looks a lot like the one I have.
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River City John

Looking closer I see the hinge of the Allin/Snyder conversion. ;)

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"I was born by the river in a little tent, and just like the river I've been running ever since." - Sam Cooke
"He who will not look backward with reverence, will not look forward with hope." - Edmund Burke
". . .freedom is not everything or the only thing, perhaps we will put that discovery behind us and comprehend, before it's too late, that without freedom all else is nothing."- G. Warren Nutter
NCOWS #L146
GAF #275

Sir Charles deMouton-Black

It doesn't look like my MarkIII Snider.  It is either a Mk I, or some predecessor to the Snider.  I don't recognize that hammer profile.
NCOWS #1154, SCORRS, STORM, BROW, 1860 Henry, Dirty Rat 502, CHINOOK COUNTRY
THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS)
Those who are no longer ignorant of History may relive it,
without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Delmonico

Could be one of those many forms of converted Springfields the army tested and surplussed when the addaped the trapdoor.  Also there were some French muskets that used that Snider type action.  Most were shotguns often sold under the "Zulu" trade name, but some could have been rifles, I'm not sure.
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Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Sir Charles deMouton-Black

it's a French conversion of the 1858 musket, adopted for French service in 1867.  Likely further converted in Belgium to become the ZULU shotgun.  Apparently many were imported to America in the 1880s.  Scroll down for a photo.

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/24759/t/C-R-Zulu-Shot-Gun.html

there are several original 1857/67 "Tabatiere" rifles on this antique site for about 250 UK pounds.

http://www.thomasdelmar.com/catalogues/as071206/lot509.jpg

No idea about the caliber.  The rifles have a serious backsight, which the scouts gun does not.  Therefore, I'd say a 12 gauge ZULU shotgun.
NCOWS #1154, SCORRS, STORM, BROW, 1860 Henry, Dirty Rat 502, CHINOOK COUNTRY
THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS)
Those who are no longer ignorant of History may relive it,
without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Delmonico

Mine ain't handy, but I thought it looked like one.  Mine was my Great-Great-Grandpa's and his SIL, my Great-Grandpa hunted geese for the market with it just before WWI in SW Iowa.  My Grandma was his retriever. ;)
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Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

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