Remmie 58 cap jams

Knarley Bob · February 14, 2010, 09:41:32 PM

Is the 58 remmie prone to cap jams?

If so, more or less than "Colts". Besides Treso nipples what to do?
Thanks
Knarley

Bull Schmitt · February 15, 2010, 01:00:05 PM

I have not experienced cap jams on my two 58s. The nose of the hammer on a Remington is very narrow compared to the Colt hammer. The wider opening in the frame of a Colt for the wider hammer allows loose caps to fall into the action. The corresponding opening in a Remington tends to minimize this happening. Properly fitting caps and nipples are highly recommended.

YMMV

Bull Schmitt

Montana Slim · February 17, 2010, 05:07:27 PM

They're ore likely to jam the hammer than fall in the action...but I've been doing C&B since I was a lad, so I've had both happen.

Regards,
Slim

Wolfgang · February 17, 2010, 06:37:18 PM

I've never had a "cap jam" on any of my '58 Remingtons. I have occassionally have had a "miss fire". As near as I can tell these are from a cap coming a little loose from recoil and then not going off when hit as it has come loose or crooked on the nipple.

Among the cap & ball pistols Remingtons have a lot less problems than Colts.

Good shootin', . . .

Montana Slim · February 17, 2010, 08:33:07 PM

Quote from: Wolfgang on February 17, 2010, 06:37:18 PM
........Among the cap & ball pistols Remingtons have a lot less problems than Colts.......
Good shootin', . . .

Well, that isn't my experience. IMO, Colts can be as relaible.
I use 1860 Army Colts almost exclusively and have very, very few problems. I have no special modifications, other than knowing how to set them up proper (springs & things), fit the correct cap (shape & size of the cone) and operate them to their best ability (and to recover from failures). I have over 50 clean matches behind me, most shooting the Colt C&B revolver....and I don't have to disassemble to clean & load. I am a Remington fan as well, but they aren't my go-to weapon of choice.

Regards,
Slim

Wolfgang · February 18, 2010, 07:09:15 AM

Montana Slim . . . nice to hear another view. I'm only able to go by what I've heard from both Remington and Colt shooters. I've never shot Colt cap & ball pistols myself. Maybe it is a matter of knowing your guns and working 'em right.

Proper nipples, caps, etc.

Good shootin', . . .

RemingtonEric · February 18, 2010, 02:04:31 PM

Montana what do you recommend for the colt's? Just curious.

Montana Slim · February 18, 2010, 10:09:21 PM

Quote from: RemingtonEric on February 18, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
Montana what do you recommend for the colt's? Just curious.

I have Uberti, Pietta & ASM, they're all good...My Pietta experiences tell me I'm gonna have to sort out and modify the cones to be sure I have ones that fit caps proper. Uberties are generally more consistent (particularly the cones) and easier overall to setup right. I don't weaken mainsprings...sometimes I stiffen them up a bit (which is harder than lightening them). I don't follow the common "wisdom" of raising the muzzle to the sky when cocking....this might allow a fired cap to fall into the works. Use a least a minimum charge of powder to seat the ball firmly...otherwise you'll get a hangfire. I use over-ball lubricant & a good coat of borebutter on the cylinder pin.

Slim

Montana Slim · February 18, 2010, 10:10:20 PM

Quote from: Wolfgang on February 18, 2010, 07:09:15 AM
..........Maybe it is a matter of knowing your guns and working 'em right. Proper nipples, caps, etc.

Good shootin', . . .

Couldn't agree more with this

Regards,
Slim

RemingtonEric · February 19, 2010, 06:46:39 AM

What do you use for caps slim?

Montana Slim · February 19, 2010, 02:49:33 PM

Quote from: RemingtonEric on February 19, 2010, 06:46:39 AM
What do you use for caps slim?

On the guns I have:

Pietta (Remington & Colts) - CCI #11
Uberti (Colts) - CCI #10

That is when using with the factory cones. keep in mind that Pietta cones vary slightly....I usually have to tweak them a bit.

Slim