1873 Uberti in 44 mag. + toggle-link strength

[Bryan Austin]

WELL. Don't be lettin s**t like that slip by ya again.    WM

Sad aint it? 

[Slowhand Bob]

I have heard enough comments about new 'out of the box'  Italian guns that were not even capable of being fired/operated due to manufacturing or assembly problems to put much credence into the ideal that every gun gets proof tested.  If a hammer is so poorly installed that it can not possibly fall to the primer, how did they proof that revolver?  I will go one further and state that I personally owned a new 'out of the box' OM Ruger Vaquero that was not able to index without assistance and ended up at the factory twice before a new cylinder corrected the problem.  No, I have very little faith in the idea that each gun gets a QC or proof test before going into the box and govt mandates are even less dependable than industrial quality control.

[Bryan Austin]

It is to my understanding that each new handgun shoots one cartridge. The case is sold with the gun and the projectile is sent to ballistics lab? I assume some sort of criminal analysis lab? However, I purchased two Uberti Cattlemen in 357 ,magnum new and did not see a "proof" cartridge case. (Georgia)

Anyone know what the heck I am talking about?  

http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/116284-spent-case-new-s-w-guns-purpose.html

[Abilene]

There are a couple of states that require the spent cartridge case, for their expensive and ineffective anti-cirme programs.  I believe New York is one.  At Cimarron, they go out back and fire a round for guns that go to these states.  Some manufacturers include the fired case with every gun they make.  I think Armscor does it.  Except for Armscor, none of the manufacturers that Cimarron buys from do this (Uberti, Pietta, Chiappa, Pedersoli).

[Joe Lansing]

    The New York program was recently de-funded by the governor because it had not solved one crime and had cost millions of dollars (and he's a Democrat).

                                                       JL

[Bryan Austin]

So Slowhands reply certainly has merit in this case.

[wildman1]

I have heard enough comments about new 'out of the box'  Italian guns that were not even capable of being fired/operated due to manufacturing or assembly problems to put much credence into the ideal that every gun gets proof tested.  If a hammer is so poorly installed that it can not possibly fall to the primer, how did they proof that revolver?  I will go one further and state that I personally owned a new 'out of the box' OM Ruger Vaquero that was not able to index without assistance and ended up at the factory twice before a new cylinder corrected the problem.  No, I have very little faith in the idea that each gun gets a QC or proof test before going into the box and govt mandates are even less dependable than industrial quality control.

I purchased a used .54 cal Santa Fe Uberti Hawkin several years ago it had never been fired. The lock had not been inletted properly and the hammer did not line up with the nipple. It could not fire. WM

[Grizzly Adams]

So Slowhands reply certainly has merit in this case.

Uh.....no.

[Bryan Austin]

Uh.....no.

but but but 

[Grizzly Adams]

but but but 

Just funning ole Bob.   Got to be careful about painting with too broad a brush.

[Thumper]

1st, I gotta say to Grizzly Adams....love your by-line, anyone hasn't read it, please do so!! Next, cleaning the chamber. Now I only have a original 1873 in 32-20, but share the same problem. My solution was to get a piece of thick walled brass tubing at a hobby shop and to thread one end to accept a cleaning brush of appropriate siize  and loc-tight it in place(out of the bin of unmarked well used brushes I've acquired over the years), then force thread a screw into the opposite end and cut off the head. Now you can mount it on  a drill without crushing the tube and scrub away. I would suggest measuring how long you need the tube to be and wrap some electrical tape about 1in past that. That's your "witness" mark for inserting the brush and keeps you from running the drill into the cone accidentally.

[wildman1]

Grizzly do you know when the design of the firing pin was changed? Thanks. WM

[Grizzly Adams]

Grizzly do you know when the design of the firing pin was changed? Thanks. WM

I believe it was toward the end of 2008.

[wildman1]

Thanks. WM

[Slowhand Bob]

Which would smack the hardest on bigger game, the 350gr 45-75 loaded with black powder to max or a safe,  for toggle links, 44mag load?  Time fer just one shot afore thet chargin grzzler gets to you, which would you be a preferring? 

[blackpowder]

This has to be the funniest topic I have even read. Uberti prooved that THEIR 73 can handle 44 Mag pressures and some of you old farts just simply refuse to believe it.......lol    whatta bunch of bafoons! 

Just saw this now. . . I think you missed the point. The question was not whether or not the toggle actions in the 73's can handle mag pressures - of course they can - but for how long before they come apart? (After 500 rds? 1000? 5000? . . .? ) And come apart they will IF they are identical to the originals in construction and materials. So the question really was: What's different about the toggle action in the new Uberti 44mag ??

[Bryan Austin]

Just saw this now. . . I think you missed the point. The question was not whether or not the toggle actions in the 73's can handle mag pressures - of course they can - but for how long before they come apart? (After 500 rds? 1000? 5000? . . .? ) And come apart they will IF they are identical to the originals in construction and materials. So the question really was: What's different about the toggle action in the new Uberti 44mag ??

For starters I read another post while doing some searching that someone had contacted an Uberti rep whom said the the steel parts were made from stronger steel but the desigin was all the same as the originals.

Now, I have no desire to shoot a fully loaded 44 mag 500 times. But sure, I'll take one just to have that power when needed.

Here, for those that love the 45-70 STAY WITH IT
for those that love the 44-40 STAY WITH IT (High Velocity loads)
For those that love the 44 Mag STAY WITH IT

the whole point here is to prove that the toggle link design is obviously not as week as many of you old timers think it is ON THE NEW RIFLES. SAAMI has scared the bajeesus outta all of you guys.

I am just going to go buy a Marcel Thys .577-3 Double and say the hell with it all 

[wildman1]

SJ, I feel like I must be related to ya, no offence intended. I sometimes put things off that should be done a little sooner rather than later. This morning I went on the Uberti site and LOOKED HARD A COUPLE OF TIMES and did not find ANY mention of a '73 in 44 Mag. So then I thought "Boy I musta had my imagination workin' overtime" when I dreamed I was readin and RESPONDIN to a thread about a Uberti 44 Mag. But NO I got back on CASCITY and there it was right in print. Ended my short fantasy about hallucinatin.  WM

[Bryan Austin]

SJ, I fell like I must be related to ya, no offence intended. I sometimes put things off that should be done a little sooner rather than later. This morning I went on the Uberti site and LOOKED HARD A COUPLE OF TIMES and did not find ANY mention of a '73 in 44 Mag. So then I thought "Boy I musta had my imagination workin' overtime" when I dreamed I was readin and RESPONDIN to a thread about a Uberti 44 Mag. But NO I got back on CASCITY and there it was right in print. Ended my short fantasy about hallucinatin.   WM

No offince but you are as blind as I am...lol First rifle at the top. Only one with NO CRESCENT BUTTPLATE.
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1873-rifle-and-carbine.php

Item Number 341260
1873 CARBINE — 19" .44 MAG
MSRP $1,259
Blued; A-grade walnut; round barrel

[wildman1]

Well whoda thunkit. There is more than one Uberti website. The one I was on www.ubertireplicas.com does not have a 44 mag listed. WM