AMMO questions and or problem?

litl rooster · May 07, 2005, 08:52:16 PM

I have said in here in the past I have a limited amount of space so I don't even think about reloading. So that being that, here is my question problems, first my pistol ammo cheap cowboy loads from cabela's , nothing has miss fired (knock on wood yet), but they hard to unload casing after firing..Anything I can do there? 2nd I recently bought some 30-30 cowboy loads manufactor by PMC, today while shooting I had several not fire on the first pull but on a second pull they did...Bad primers? never have had a problem with Feds or Rems in this rifle...Help if you can

RowdyBill · May 07, 2005, 10:19:55 PM

I don't have an answer, but since it fits the general topic, I hope you won't mind if I throw in my question too. Maybe we can get them both answered.

I know that some guns have deep Ballard-type rifling for shooting lead rounds. Is that just a rifle thing? Can I shoot lead frequently in my new Ruger Blackhawk?

Four-Eyed Buck · May 07, 2005, 10:28:57 PM

Thats generally a rifle thing. You can shoot a lot of lead in your Black hawk, no problem. LR, does that 30-30 have a lighter spring in it? If not, them it was either high primers or possibly they were using CCI's. The cup material on them is generally harder than other brands. Otherwise no explanation from this end.....Buck

RowdyBill · May 07, 2005, 10:37:36 PM

Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on May 07, 2005, 10:28:57 PM
Thats generally a rifle thing. You can shoot a lot of lead in your Black hawk, no problem. LR, does that 30-30 have a lighter spring in it? If not, them it was either high primers or possibly they were using CCI's. The cup material on them is generally harder than other brands. Otherwise no explanation from this end.....Buck

Thanks!

litl rooster · May 08, 2005, 07:09:15 AM

Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on May 07, 2005, 10:28:57 PM
Thats generally a rifle thing. You can shoot a lot of lead in your Black hawk, no problem. LR, does that 30-30 have a lighter spring in it? If not, them it was either high primers or possibly they were using CCI's. The cup material on them is generally harder than other brands. Otherwise no explanation from this end.....Buck

4eyed Buck it's a Marlin 30aw rifle I have shot several boxes of Fed's and Rem"s thru it...I am not sure what High Primer means. Thanks for your time

L.G. · May 08, 2005, 11:36:43 AM

High Primer - not fully seated in the cartridge. On a revolver one could cause a jam (not let the cylinder rotate). If you do some internet searching, you can find ammo cheaper than Cabela's. I use Ammo Direct, and have been happy with their ammo. As far as your rifle is concerned, you might have a dirty firing pin assembly, and just need to clean it good. My Ruger 77 did that to me a few years ago, and it had me scratching my head for a while. Talked with a gunsmith about it, and he asked when was the last time I took the bolt apart and cleaned the firing pin, well, the answer was never. Cleaned it, and the misfires dissapeared.

Delmonico · May 08, 2005, 12:45:36 PM

To check for high primers lay the round on a glass plate or something similar that you know is flat and hard. Stand it on end, bullet skyward, does it wobble? If it does the primer ain't deep enough.

Take the bolt out an clean it with gunscrubber or something similar or even better dis-assemble it and clean it good. I know some don't agree with me but if it is a CCI primer problem the gun needs fixed, a gun should fire any store-bought primer if it ain't broke.

One thing also, try the rounds in another gun if you can.

litl rooster · May 08, 2005, 01:48:27 PM

Thanks I will take it apart and clean see it that helps. I've got some snap caps that are high primered, now I know what you are talking about. Seems to me at the clinic I attended last week another shooter was having the same problem with a navy arms rifle. He stated basically the same thing about the cci primers

Delmonico · May 08, 2005, 04:11:25 PM

CCI primers will work in any gun that functions normally. I ahve never had a problem with them. Any body who tells you a CCI primer won't work in a gun they worked on or built is making excuses.

Four-Eyed Buck · May 08, 2005, 05:52:49 PM

Usually the problem about CCI's not lighting have to do with lightened springs if there isn't another problem contributing to it. What Del said is true though, if the gun hasn't had the springs lightened, it should fire any brand primer put into it. Since it's a 30 AW, I'd have to agree that the pin is probably dirty and it's travel is being restricted. That is a recurring problem with them because of the two piece pin setup. At the start, I was assuming it was a CAS gun, that's why I asked about the springs. Through practical experience, my partner and I proved the info about the cup softness/hardness, at least in the small pistol primers.......Buck

Delmonico · May 08, 2005, 09:53:04 PM

More on the CCI primer thing. If a gun is not lighting CCI reliabally, you ain't lighting any primer right, this can cause accuracy problems and it can cause hangfires. Hangfires are dangerous. I have made folks mad before, but in my opinion any one who has any kind of a mis-fire, that gun should be DQed for the day and any one having more than one gun misfire should be DQed.

If it involves store bought ammo the maker will get it figured out real quick when folks are POed for their ammo. Any type of an ammo malfunction is a saftey hazard, no matter what the cause.

litl rooster · May 11, 2005, 03:54:37 AM

Buck and Del I have checked the balance of the questionable ammo for high primers and don't believe that is a problem I also feel be it cci or other brand if there is a problem the manufactors figure it out, because of liablity. Never using the brand before I was concerned there where the problem lied. I feel the problem lies in the weapon. I have down loaded the mauders info and am going to take the bolt out and clean it. I also have never done this, not that I have never swabbed the barrel or the chamber out. I'll keep you updated on outcome Thanks again.

Quote from: Delmonico on May 08, 2005, 09:53:04 PM
More on the CCI primer thing. If a gun is not lighting CCI reliabally, you ain't lighting any primer right, this can cause accuracy problems and it can cause hangfires. Hangfires are dangerous. I have made folks mad before, but in my opinion any one who has any kind of a mis-fire, that gun should be DQed for the day and any one having more than one gun misfire should be DQed.

If it involves store bought ammo the maker will get it figured out real quick when folks are POed for their ammo. Any type of an ammo malfunction is a saftey hazard, no matter what the cause.

I totally agree

Buck no internal modifacation have been done to this weapon