Merwin, Hulbert & Co revolvers

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Major 2

good luck.... Sir ( first Model open top in 45 colt is the one I'd want ! )

"I have been contacted by the New Merwin &Helbert Company and all is solvent production is near".

"Solvent" is that their word ?


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when planets align...do the deal !

swampman

Quote from: RickB on April 19, 2012, 07:51:39 PM
Pardon me for being doubtful but I'll believe it when I see it and can hold one in my own two hands.

Yep. I'm not holding my breath either. But I do want one. A 7" .45LC in Nickel would be my choice. I'm still hoping this doesn't turn out like the Bren-Ten thing with Vltor last year.
A lot of what is taken for engineering fact, if you dig into it far enough, is often just someone's opinion.

Deadeye Don

Quote from: fowler on April 19, 2012, 07:11:31 PM
  Well pards the final product will be out this year. Everything is going to plan and the first Model open top in 45 colt will be the first model shipped.  I have been contacted by the New Merwin &Helbert Company and all is solvent production is near. Nay sayers will crying where,s mine. I know mine will here soon. The finest western pistol ever made!!

LOL.  Please provide a copy of whatever new information you might have. 
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hawkeye2

      Darn, I was just about to post RIP and now I'll have to stock up on ammo to deal with the M&H Zombie.

CRM

Well fowler, it is looking better for you.

You took a chance, and it might just pay off for ye.
I don't know what you ordered, but from what I can see, you are going to get one chambered in 45 Colt.

Did you purchase any of the extras, or just the basic Merwin? What caliber did you want? Do you mind telling us your order number?

When and if, you get your gun, they are going to take a loss. I have been concerned all along that every gun they deliver, at $1250.00, they will go deeper in the hole.

Someone posted an order number that indicated there might be over a thousand deposits these new folks have said they will honor!

They say there will be new pricing, and "it should be understood that the new pricing will not resemble the old.". That is good news for you. It means they will not be able to ask this new price if they give you a piece of junk. It also means that your gun will be worth more the day you receive it, than you paid.

One other thing, with this new pricing, they will not be able to sell many, actually, they might not be able to survive. So your new Merwin will be worth even more.

Keep us posted

hawkeye2

Leopards can change their spots.  Druggies can walk away anytime.  Our President is going to change things,  The money I get from the tooth fairy will go a long way toward paying for my dentures.  My lottery winnings using the numbers in the fortune cookie I got today will buy me the 4 M&Hs I would love to have and I might get a Sharps too.

When Cabela's has them in store I'll grab one if I like the fit and finish.

fowler

 Gents what I ordered near a year ago was a open=top  1st. model 45colt 3.5 pocket army with the skull crusher ,with scalloped cly. for carry and selfdefence. Later I will order a longer barrel assy. for action shooting. And allso I want to get a couple more M-H's down the road. Gents these will sell in the same price range as customshop Colts they will not be mass produced stamped out Rugers and Uberti,s. These will be top of line familiy heirlooms with collecter status. I will have one in my holster.  My order number was over 1,100 with a $550.00 deposit last August 2011.

fowler


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hawkeye2

So when they find bigfoot he'll be packing a new made M&H.

RickB

Sad to say but I believe more in Bigfoot than I do I M&H at this point in time.   ::) :P
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CRM


fowler

  For now I am packing a brace of 1872 uberti Open top Colts in 45 Colt. Soon I will add the M-H for hide out.  Big foot packs a old M-H too . The finest western handgun ever made!

CRM

Maybe Big Foot does carry the M+H but he was not wearing it this morning.
I saw him over at Cabela's, and he is hoping to get his picture taken with Hawkeye and some of these other boys.

yeti76620

Quote from: CRM on April 21, 2012, 01:51:22 PM
Maybe Big Foot does carry the M+H but he was not wearing it this morning.
I saw him over at Cabela's, and he is hoping to get his picture taken with Hawkeye and some of these other boys.

Which Cabela's is the Cuz' at now?!

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  Well gents my order has been in since August 2011 with a $550 deposit of commitment for the finest western handgun that will ever be made. Merwin &Hulbert will be in my hand and holster pards. He -Haw!!!!

Professor Marvel

Greetings Dear Readers , here is some info For your further reading entertainment:

Let us begin with a brief recap of the Merwin & Hulbert Replica Company, without too much refernce to the current
ummm .... dissolution and reconfiguration of the "corporate structure"
This is what I have been able to glean from old forums, links, etc.

The website /http://merwinhulbertco.com/ "existed" as early as 2004 but only showed a "Go-Daddy" place holder until
© 2007 Merwin Hulbert & Co.

the original website was opened sometyime in  2007  and had several discussions in the forums.

Jan 2008:
The website as we knew it appeared at least by Jan 2008
We first see signs of activity ~ Oct 2008 on their original website, taking "subscription orders" and non-refundable deposits.

December 2008:
The online order system went live ~ December 2008 and discussion on various Cowboy forums began...

2009:
Ads in various magazines, orders taken. Only image available was a CAD image.
many promises, much beating of chests regarding integrity and honor

Mid 2010:
shipping was "supposed to " occurr sometime in 2010,
by October,  M&H was going to have working examples at Shot Show 2011 and start shipping by July
still not even one example of a working prototype
Only image of a revolver is still the CAD image
The Beating Of Chests continues.

Jan 2011
No pistols at the shotshow
by November, CAS City members were posting "Well, it's been 1 year to the date when they said the guns would be delivered"
by the end of the year2011 cell phone photos of a handful of proto parts were shown.
still no completed revolver.

Jan 2012
No appearance at the Shot Show

Sometime in February- March, dissolution begins.

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Now for
"Just The Facts"
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Here are some published docs and Newspaper articles:
From
http://www.douglas-budget.com/glenrock/article_d3628d36-7a8f-11e1-8d4b-001a4bcf887a.html
Posted: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:43 am | Updated: 10:25 am, Thu Apr 5, 2012.
snip:
"In contrast, the new agreement with Sharps will give the option to purchase for the same price of $750,000 after only three years on the condition that the company employ only eight people for a 12 month period. The company's monthly rent payments will be applied toward the purchase price if the company elects to do so, but the option to purchase is only available during the initial seven year lease term which goes into effect May 1, 2012, ending April 30, 2019.

Council has agreed to CEO Kevin Tierney's request to defer rent payments for six months, allowing him time to gain investors and equity. After six months, it was agreed that Tierney will not only pay the town for the six months of deferred rent, utilities and property taxes, but he will make an advance payment on the next six months of rent as well."
---------------------------

Here are the lease details:
http://www.glenrock.org/vertical/sites/%7BA6FCC76E-AB91-4180-9161-6D53BC40A04C%7D/uploads/Sharps_Lease_Agreement.pdf

For details of the new company look here
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/documents/DocIndex.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/documents/Execsummary.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/what.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/principals.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/facility.html

It appears to me that  everything is based on obtaining the new funding.
If you fill out the nondisclosure agreement, it appears you will be granted access to some further details.

then read these:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87204011/Merwin-Hulbert-Memorandum-3-28-12

Snips:
3.It is specifically planned, budgeted and in the process of being executed that Merwin will begin making
the New Merwin Hulbert 'Pocket Army' Revolver as soon as funding is complete. The first production prototype parts
are being made now and finished production prototypes are soon to be scheduled for testing at an independent
ballistics laboratory.Certain members of the Gun Writers community are also scheduled to receive these production
prototypes for their own testing.
...

5.By way of this writing it should be understood that if you deposited monies with the, now defunct, "old Merwin Company"
for a Merwin Hulbert Revolver at the original then advertised price,your order will be honored. Merwin will not be able to
deliver any configuration or caliber other than the barrel lengths or caliber mentioned in number 3 above.The new
Company has what it believes to be a complete set of records of orders and deposits taken.
...
11.The first production guns will be shipped to those that made deposits in the order that they  were taken. New orders will
be taken as soon as production begins and an announcement to that effect will be posted to the soon-to-bere-launched web site. Pricing for new orders will also be posted at that time and it should be understood that the new pricing will not resemble the old.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87203859/Sharps-Rifle-Company-Inc-Introduction-Document
dated March15, 2012
snips:
Mr. Tierney and Mr. Martin have completed the necessary documentation in order to raise the $1,300,000 in investment
inSharps Rifle Company, Inc. and have begun making presentations to potential investors.Once the necessary capital
has been secured by the new Sharps Rifle Company, Inc., Mr. Tierney and Mr. Martin will immediately implement
Phase I of the business plan and begin the production,sale andshipmentof the Merwin Hulbert revolvers andthe Sharps
Relia-Bolt from its facility inGlenrock, WY.


Imprtant Snips From the above Sharps Rifle doco dated March 28, 2012 :
" ... will begin making  the New Merwin Hulbert 'Pocket Army' Revolver as soon as funding is complete."
" The first production prototype parts are being made now..."

Conjecture:
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- I see no commitments to any dates, except for payback of the 6months deferred lease the Glenrock, WY.
- It appears that Sharps Rifle has 6 months from the date of the lease agreement to secure above funding and pay back the
     6 months deffered rent  or they default on the lease and forfit their equipment
- It appears that no work would begin until the initial $1.3 mill investment is secured.
- since there is no funding yet, and it appears that production will not start until the funding is secured, most production tooling & parts most likely do not yet exist
- We have not yet seen any photos of any completed or operational prototypes, thus it is uncertain how far along or functional they may be.

If all goes well, and the required investor funding is obtained, production might start 6 months (or after) from the start of lease (May 1, 2012) altho the only commitment on paper appears to be the payback of the deferred lease. This is based on the above
Sharp's Rifle doc " ... will begin making  the New Merwin Hulbert 'Pocket Army' Revolver as soon as funding is complete."

The rest is not "committments" so much as "plans".
 
Shipment of Production firearms would also depend on
- Hiring new staffing (since everyone has been let go),
- the bugs worked out of the 5 hand assembled prototypes (for which we have only seen some loose parts),
- Production tooling acquisition/setup,
- Training of new Production Manufacturing Staff, QA staff, and Repair Staff
- the transition of the bug-free "prototype" into production

Read the doco, draw your own conclusions

good luck to all involved.

yhs
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DJ

None of the Bigfoot photos I have seen show him wearing a gunbelt or shoulder holster. 

Do you suppose he carries his Pocket Army in an inside-the-pants holster?

RickB

One heck of a write up professor.  I'm not seeing too much there that would make me want to send them one red cent if my money.  I'll stick with my schofields and colt clones. At least they aren't made of smoke,  promises and dreams.  To me that makes them the best damn guns money can buy.  ;)
Ride Safe and Shoot Straight.
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