Historic Photos/GAF weapons

Started by Drydock, October 30, 2009, 08:26:32 PM

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Niederlander

Now we know!  You know it had to be embarassing to think the "obsolete" Krag was more accurate than the new "high speed" '03.  It's interesting that the powers that be outlawed it for competition.
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RattlesnakeJack

Actually, if the US practice was similar to that followed in the British Empire, the whole purpose of service rifle competitions was to compete with the current primary-issue service rifle.  So, after an "overlap period" (the duration of which may have been specified in the rules, or might have been  dictated by the point in time when the '03 reached a certain "issuance level" ) the '03 would have been the mandated rifle for use in such competitions.
Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
Bvt. Col, Commanding International Dept. and Div.  of Canada, Grand Army of the Frontier

Niederlander

Good point, but I'll bet it had a lot to do with the older weapon outperforming the newer one.  It has changed over the years, though.  For years after the M14 was superseded by the M16, the older rifle was used by virtually all the service rifle teams because it was better for competition.  (That has changed at least to some extent due to teams learning to use the M16 effectively at extreme range.)
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Drydock

There were no such rules in US regulations, really there still are not, thus M1903s were used by service teams well into the 70s, with M-14s currently still preferred to the M-16.  Seperate catagories were created just to get the 16 into service compitition.  The M-16 gained more ground when a Lower velocity heavy bullet round was developed . . . where have I seen this before . . .
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

Niederlander

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This image is pretty well know, and now you know the rest of the story! 

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USS Texas crew with mascots! 1895

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Drydock

Here's a 1903 National Guard team with Trapdoors! 
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

Drydock

Civilize them with a Krag . . .

pony express

The guy standing, far right appears to have a non-standard front sight on his trapdoor.

Drydock

Thats just the issue sight cover.
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

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USS New York gun crew.  1895

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Charles Isaac

Outstanding resolution in this photo of  Photo of Lieut. Stamford after the battle of Yang Sing.This is described as typical sleeping quarters of an officer in China during the Boxer Rebellion in 1900.

Strange, but does his saber look like a Marine Mamaluke?


River City John

Looks like a Chinese executioner's sword or similar. Not enough curve for the mamaluke-pattern to me.

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Quote from: Charles Isaac on June 08, 2010, 08:31:04 PMStrange, but does his saber look like a Marine Mamaluke?



A qualified Yes, if the light is hitting it just right to hide the rivets in the handle, and given the limitations of the resolution. For some reason my mouse's Magnify function isn't working right now.
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Charles Isaac

Who knows, it could even be a present from one of the Russians that was there, but I can't tell if it has the concave area on the pommel like the Russian swords.





Drydock

Civilize them with a Krag . . .

Charles Isaac

Marines!

......with M1895 .236 Navy Rifles, ready for inspection.


captmack

Not a historic photo but Capt Mack, 10th Cavalry ready for action!
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