Possible GAF Wild Bunch Revisions

[Pony Racer]

Pony express I have two berthier carbines one in WWI config and one in WWII config.

The both will take either the 3 or 5 shot clip.

Mine are extrememly accurate out to 70 yds (longest distance I have been able to test out)

I may take mine into the deer stand later this fall - they are nice compact well handling and seemingly well built rifles.

3 shot clips are very hard to find, if you want me to look at next antique gunshow - i am sure i would find some 5 shot clips - more than willing to buy for you and then ship for payment later.

they are too fun not to help a pard out!!!

PR

[Drydock]

Gee, folks allready making plans!  I want to say something up front concerning the Moisin Nagant:  ONLY the M1891 is eligible for GAF use, either in the Main Match, or any milspec side match.  The Soviet era 91/30 is NOT eligible.  For WB I would also NOT allow the 98K.  Only the earlier 98 is eligible.  Basicly, no WW2 configuration of any weapon can be used.  Even 1903s better have barrel sights, the ww2 reciever sights are verboten . . .

IF!  We decide to do this.  IF! The command staff gives Ordnance direction to formulate such policy.  IF! I survive the administrative beatings sure to accompany said direction . . .

[pony express]

Pony Racer, I just checked, ans it turns out I had 2 5rd clips for mine. I thought there was just one in the reloading room, but there was another in the gun. I guess that would do for most stages, but any more than 10 rounds it would become a single shot.Mine is a WW1 type long rifle, I never have shot it much. Bought it years ago for $75 or so, and got one box of shells from Old WesternScrounger. They probably cost half as much as the gun! Never got set up to reload for it, maybe I'll have an excuse to do that now.

Drydock: Yes, the Moisins I have are WW1 type, with the octagon reciever and loooooonng barrel.

And I forgot about the Arisaka........I think introduced in 1906....

I think I need to get some more dies and bullet moulds...

[Dalton Masterson]

I have many Mosins, but my favorites are my M91s, of which are better shooters than my others too. They never should have made them shorter guns in the first place!

I am also working on an 1888 Commission rifle project, of which I am awaiting a few parts from a person who will remain nameless .
Once I get that going, I may end up going away from the Russian route, and going that route. Time will tell.
DM

[Pony Racer]

I have dies but got loaded ammo from GAD reloading and his ammo prices aint bad

here is link

http://www.gadcustomcartridges.com/

[pony express]

I have many Mosins, but my favorites are my M91s, of which are better shooters than my others too. They never should have made them shorter guns in the first place!

I am also working on an 1888 Commission rifle project, of which I am awaiting a few parts from a person who will remain nameless .
Once I get that going, I may end up going away from the Russian route, and going that route. Time will tell.
DM

Does your commission rifle still use mannlicher type clips? The one I have is converted to use stripper clips, or loose rounds. I guess a lot of them were done that way. should make it better for battle rifle class, unless the modification prevents it's use.

[Dalton Masterson]

Mine all use the clips. I have about 7 of them, mostly in parts. 2 out of the bunch are close to shooters, but still needing a few things, including a few of the clips.
I had one of the converted Turkish ones, but traded it off without even trying it out. Got a Finn M39 with it tho.
DM

[US Scout]

Gee, folks allready making plans!  I want to say something up front concerning the Moisin Nagant:  ONLY the M1891 is eligible for GAF use, either in the Main Match, or any milspec side match.  The Soviet era 91/30 is NOT eligible.  For WB I would also NOT allow the 98K.  Only the earlier 98 is eligible.  Basicly, no WW2 configuration of any weapon can be used.  Even 1903s better have barrel sights, the ww2 reciever sights are verboten . . .

IF!  We decide to do this.  IF! The command staff gives Ordnance direction to formulate such policy.  IF! I survive the administrative beatings sure to accompany said direction . . .

Since you won't allow my M1903A3, I'm not sure if I want to approve any future WB matches...    Oh, wait a minute, I have a Krag I can use.

However, I think we need to come up with a new designation for said side match if we go forward with it - and based on the comments posted we probably will.

US Scout
GAF, Commanding

[Drydock]

OW!  See, starting allready OW!  No, you can't use an a3 OW!  No beavertails OW!

How about "Black Jacks Match"  as his career encompassed all we do, from the Apache campaigns of the 1880s, San Juan Hill, the Phillipines, the Mexican incursion, to command of the AEF.  If the General grew a mustache and looked grumpy, he'd kinda look like the man.

[pony express]

Dalton, I only have one commision rifle, one of the turkish ones converted for use without the clips. it feeds milsurp real smoth, but the only cast bullet I have tried didn't feed, they tend to get"nose down" in the magazine. Maybe I'll try the lee bullet in it, I only have a mould for the Lyman that is kind of short with lots of grooves.

Pony Racer, I checked out that site, they do have pretty reasonable prices. I also noticed they have .38 long colt cast bullets, both heel- and hollow base pretty reasonable. I may have to try a few of those out when I get my colt DA project going.

[Captain Barrett]

Drydock,

How about "Black Jacks Match"  as his career encompassed all we do, from the Apache campaigns of the 1880s, San Juan Hill, the Phillipines, the Mexican incursion, to command of the AEF.  If the General grew a mustache and looked grumpy, he'd kinda look like the man.

I like this line of thinking. GAF is NOT $A$$. $A$$ has its WIld Bunch matches. GAF has its own Black Jack Matches. I would propose the GAF should accept this new title for our side match events...

[Dalton Masterson]

I kind of like Pershing Match myself, but either way, I am happy with it.
DM

[Bow View Haymaker]

The name of side match doesn't really matter to me.  Yes GAF is not SASS but niether is it NCOWS.  I seem to see it going in that direction.  I want to voice my objections here to making anythin MORE restrictive than it already is.  I have no problem with rewarding those who take the extra effort for authenticity.  But lets  not exclude those who don't or can't.  Remeber the scout shooting class and uniform policy. 
let's try not to sound too exclusive.

[Drydock]

You do know we're thinking about allowing your 1917?   

[Bow View Haymaker]

You do know we're thinking about allowing your 1917?   

I know that it's being considered,  I don't want you to think I was talking just for myself.  It's more how I think this sport should be.  I like this rule from the Goddard territorial Justic committe.
"There is no list of allowable firearms, if it was
used in the old west, shoulda been used in the
old west, a replica thereof, or used in a western
movie it is probably allowed. If it's allowed in
SASS, NCOWS, or WASA it's allowed at GTJC.
The Match Director has the final say over what
equipment is, and isn't allowed."

I think we can do this and still maintain the homor of the millitary heritage that the GAF was founded on.

Just my 2cents

[scooter]

I don`t know about Ya.   I just say  SHUT UP AND SHOOT!

[US Scout]

OW!  See, starting allready OW!... If the General grew a mustache and looked grumpy, he'd kinda look like the man.

OW!   

"The General"

[Texas Lawdog]

I've always wanted one of those M1917 Smith's to add to my Smith collection. I guess I'll start looking for one. I wanna get a bunch of moon clips to go with it too. I like to be prepared ahead of time. Would it have to be the military version with the lanyard ring, or can it be the commercial one without the ring?

[Drydock]

I'd hold off until the rules are actualy promulgated.  But if it were up to me, I'd not require the Lanyard ring.

[captmack]

My opinion is that M1917 be allowed with or w/o the lanyard ring and moon clips are allowed.  You can get the moon clips from www.cheaperthandirt.com

Capt Mack