USFA Remington

Appalachian Ed · September 28, 2009, 09:06:26 PM

The project is cancelled according to posts on the N-SSA board.

-Ed

Capt. John Fitzgerald · September 28, 2009, 11:05:50 PM

Pretty much confirms what many of us have suspected for quite some time now.

Deadeye Don · September 29, 2009, 06:28:35 AM

Thanks for the update Ed. I am really disappointed with USFA on this one and it is not just because they chose not to do the project, but because they used very poor marketing and customer service tactics during the course of this entire fiasco. The least they could do at this point is to put an announcement on their website that the project is cancelled and to thank their customers for the interest they showed. That would be the cowboy way to do things. I bet they never told their various FFLs that the orders that had been put in for the guns would not be honored. I know my FFL was never informed.

Pettifogger · September 29, 2009, 08:49:56 PM

Why would any legitimate FFL holder take deposits on a gun that does not exist? That's an incompetent dealer issue. As far as I know USFA never solicited or accepted any orders. I do agree that they should have handled the PR on this a lot better

Deadeye Don · September 30, 2009, 09:19:13 AM

My FFL placed an order with Gary Granger after they had announced the first date of release. No money was given to my FFL. All I am saying is that USFA knows who they took orders from and those individuals should be notified if the project is cancelled. It is a case of poor communication on their part. There is NO issue of my FFL being "incompetent".

Virginia Gentleman · October 05, 2009, 11:21:16 AM

Hopefully he got his money back from them and I agree they could have handled this better. I wanted one, but never got a straight answer until now...........that it is cancelled that is! $:-\$

Deadeye Don · October 05, 2009, 11:50:20 AM

Ok. I will say this one more time. NO money exchanged hands. My FFL simply ordered one from Gary Granger when they were first announced.

Virginia Gentleman · October 05, 2009, 06:48:41 PM

Got it sorry I misread.......

Harley Starr · October 20, 2009, 12:14:09 AM

I called Gary Granger to confirm this. I told him about this particular thread which I am responding to so I could confirm it.
After talking to Gary Granger, I've come to the conclusion that Doug Donnally does not keep his employees well informed.

Translation, Gary found out about this "cancellation" FROM ME and nobody at USFA told him about it.

Deadeye Don · October 20, 2009, 06:16:35 AM

Quote from: Ridgway Texican Ranger on October 20, 2009, 12:14:09 AM
I called Gary Granger to confirm this. I told him about this particular thread which I am responding to so I could confirm it.
After talking to Gary Granger, I've come to the conclusion that Doug Donnally does not keep his employees well informed.
Translation, Gary found out about this "cancellation" FROM ME and nobody at USFA told him about it.

Could this have something to do with Gary's recent "vacation" from the company?

Pettifogger · October 20, 2009, 12:17:20 PM

Quote from: Deadeye Don on October 20, 2009, 06:16:35 AM
Could this have something to do with Gary's recent "vacation" from the company?

Well, now you know why he accepted an order for a non-existent gun.

Harley Starr · October 20, 2009, 10:45:45 PM

Quote from: Deadeye Don on October 20, 2009, 06:16:35 AM
Could this have something to do with Gary's recent "vacation" from the company?

That's a good question Deadeye. Truth be told, I never even brought up the subject of the "vacation".
My only interest was to learn the truth of of the matter.
The top brass at USFA didn't share any information with him simply because he is at a lower pay grade.
He told about the seven Remingtons that USFA did build. Four 1858's and three 1875's. Gary personally handled and fired each gun. The same top notch quality we've come to expect from USFA were present on these guns. The guns are currently in the hands of the folks at Remington Arms. Why Remington would want to pass on such great guns is beyond his comprehension.
He did speculate that maybe the folks at Remington Arms might want to manufacture these revolvers at their Ilion, NY facility instead.

Deadeye Don · October 21, 2009, 07:46:27 AM

That would be cool if Remington stepped up now, but only if the quality would be on par with USFA.

Harley Starr · October 21, 2009, 09:08:14 AM

Quote from: Deadeye Don on October 21, 2009, 07:46:27 AM
That would be cool if Remington stepped up now, but only if the quality would be on par with USFA.

Let us hope that Remington would be up to the challenge.

RRio · October 21, 2009, 01:33:16 PM

Guys,

I think you are all gonna have to get used to the idea, that we are not gonna see a Remington come out of USFA. I mean, JEEZUZ, we can't even get a definitive answer about it from USFA.

I really think the Rem project went south for good, when Remington was sold. I think the new owners had no interest in producing 19th century firearms, and may be why the Spartan shotgun went back to EAA.
That is spectulation on my part, but I am 99.9999% sure that we are not gonna see a USFA Remington.

Capt. John Fitzgerald · October 21, 2009, 09:50:42 PM

And I am 100% sure that Rawhide is 99.9999% right.

Harley Starr · October 22, 2009, 12:40:46 AM

Well let's step back and take stock. Here are some ideas that us guys have to get used to.

USFA Magnum Series=$1,495.00
USFA Old Armory Original Series 1st Generation Specifications =$1,995.00
USFA Old Armory Original .455 ELEY=$2,185.00
USFA Old Armory Original Rare Ejectorless=$1,895.00
USFA Officers Model 1911=$1,999.00
USFA Officers Model - 45 ACP Tactical=$3,599.00

Not reproducing a revolver that was every bit as effective, reliable, durable, and good looking as a Colt Peacemaker?=Priceless

Doc Sunrise · October 22, 2009, 03:55:17 AM

Around my firehouse, the guys were the worst when it came to rumors and gossip. I see nothing is different here.

Some of you appear to want a pound of flesh from Gary because a Remington model is not available, but at the same time you complain about paying for the quality USFA produces. Did you ever think that Gary shared the same enthusiasm as everyone else at the idea of USFA producing some Remington models? It just wasn't in the cards, and Gary does not make the final decisions at USFA, Doug does.

USFA still provides us with numerous SAA models and variants at pretty good prices. I for one am glad to see USFA try to grow by making other models. If USFA tried to make the forum members happy, which wouldn't happen anyway, USFA would have closed their doors a long time ago.

USFA's mission is to produce quality firearms at the lowest possible prices, not firearms at low prices at the expense of quality!

RRio · October 22, 2009, 04:58:59 AM

I'm not really sure anybody is wanting "a pound of flesh from Gary".
I think what folks are wanting, and in my opinion deserve, are some answers from USFA that have been absent for way too long.

QuoteIt just wasn't in the cards, and Gary does not make the final decisions at USFA, Doug does.

Gary is the Sales Manager for USFA and most people would think that a Sales Manager would privy to company plans about production of future models. But for that matter, nothing would stop Doug Donnally from coming on here and making a statement regarding the Remington if he was truly concerned about what it looks like for his company.

Don't be too critical of the members here, they've all seemed to have been pretty patient, considering it has been, what 2 - 3 years now?

Deadeye Don · October 22, 2009, 06:14:28 AM

Quote from: Rawhide Rio on October 22, 2009, 04:58:59 AM
I'm not really sure anybody is wanting "a pound of flesh from Gary".
I think what folks are wanting, and in my opinion deserve, are some answers from USFA that have been absent for way too long.

Gary is the Sales Manager for USFA and most people would think that a Sales Manager would privy to company plans about production of future models. But for that matter, nothing would stop Doug Donnally from coming on here and making a statement regarding the Remington if he was truly concerned about what it looks like for his company.

Don't be too critical of the members here, they've all seemed to have been pretty patient, considering it has been, what 2 - 3 years now?

I agree on all of this. I have never blamed Gary Granger, but I do blame USFA as a company for not handling this Remington issue in the best interest of their customer base. Personally, I have never been critical of the prices USFA has charged. I was willing to pay the approximately $1700 for an 1875 in nickel.