Which replica firearms would you like to see available?

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Y'all Were speaking of pocket pistols ...

I just had to show off my little 1863 Remington Plcket pistol converted to .32 S&W ....

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Very slick, WWE!

[Forty Rod]

Seems to me someone did make an 1843 Hall carbine for a while.  Check Dixie gun Works.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

The only .32 S&W I could find was a Magtech Box .... and when I shot it, it was so hot a load that it would expand the casings so tight against the cylinder that I would have to push them out with a dowl ...

So I am waiting for a friend who does my reloading to bring me some .32 S&W 'Cowboy' loads .... I should get them about 3 October ... and I will tell you how it shoots then .... *S*

[Forty Rod]

Okay, now look at what you did!  I wasn't gonna look and then you had to go post more pictures of the dang thing an' now I want one. 

Where did you get the conversion kit for it?

[River City John]

I would like to see an accurate reproduction of the Remington Beals Navy and the Whitney Navy.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Forty Rod,

To make yu feel better, I was extremely diappointed with it with modern ammo. ...

So, Church is out with it until I try it with cowboy loads ... I talked to the 'smith who did the conversion; he said that the conversion was built for black powder loads or the equivalent only

I don't like to make bad blood until I have shot it per instructed load .... if it is accuarate and appropriate, I will give out the 'smith's name then.

Just know it is not a Kirs or R&D Conversion ... i.e., one has to the cylinder to load it....

[Roscoe Coles]

Seems to me someone did make an 1843 Hall carbine for a while.  Check Dixie gun Works.

Yea, there were some made, but are no longer in production.  You can buy most, if not all of the parts but it takes time and its a kit.  I'm thinking about building an 1836 carbine.  Very early, and you can use it all over. 

[Forty Rod]

Forty Rod,

To make yu feel better, I was extremely diappointed with it with modern ammo. ...

So, Church is out with it until I try it with cowboy loads ... I talked to the 'smith who did the conversion; he said that the conversion was built for black powder loads or the equivalent only

I don't like to make bad blood until I have shot it per instructed load .... if it is accuarate and appropriate, I will give out the 'smith's name then.

Just know it is not a Kirs or R&D Conversion ... i.e., one has to the cylinder to load it....

Wanna sell it?  I need a wall hanger that size.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Forty Rod,

A friend is bringing me some .32 S&W reloads to the match on Sunday .....

So I am going to hold off making a decision until I shoot it with the suggested load...

[Bow View Haymaker]

How about somthing like the colt Lighting and Thunderer revolvers? 

Wait,  Cimmeron does offer these but just single action. 
Too bad NCOWS doesn't accept them 'cause they'er really neet and other than the size of the trigger gaurd, I don't think most people could tell the difference form 10ft away.

[Trap]

   If they were in double action . there is a good chance they would be legal

[Bow View Haymaker]

They'er as close as we are ever going to get in a modern rendition of the originals.  Modern steel, safe action. affordable, not a colloctors item, in the "spirit" of the originals.  Sound's like everything a CAS gun should be.  LIie a vaquero to a SAA maybe?
Sorry,
I'll shut up now.

[Trap]

  They just aren't reproductions of an original. For that I'm sorry also.   jt

[Roscoe Coles]

How about somthing like the colt Lighting and Thunderer revolvers? 

Wait,  Cimmeron does offer these but just single action. 
Too bad NCOWS doesn't accept them 'cause they'er really neet and other than the size of the trigger gaurd, I don't think most people could tell the difference form 10ft away.

Its not too bad at all, they aint historic so they anit legal.  When you make an exception the next thing you know your shooting a henry big boy!

[Montana Slim]

I'd like to see a repro Merwin Hulbert revolver.
And on the subject of producibility of this oft-described complex (too complex to manufacture?) firearm, I wonder...... how they did it at all back before CNC, investment casting, metal injection molding, and even electricity.
Trust me, metal injection molding can litterally spit small complex parts out in seconds. The "cost" is the investment in the mold. Each mold costs between $20,000 to $70,000 to make. The economics are simply "how many can we expect to sell" and "at what price break will folks actually buy them".

My other wish-list firearm is the S&W Model 3...yes, I know these have been made.....but I want mine in .44 Russian !

My "price-point" for a well made replica of either of these models is around $1,000 each. I'd take two each of the Merwin and the Smith. 

Regards,
Slim

[St. George]

Ah - but a customer's acceptable 'price point' and that which the manufacturer will demand are two different things.

Think 'retail Colt' or 'retail USFA' - and go up.

Those first guns would be what pays for the set-up and tooling.

How the Merwin, Hulberts were made (and all of the others) was because of 'skilled' labor - paid small wages, and 'that' was how those weapons were assembled and fitted - by hand, and by guys with skills in that trade.

Think about what that same labor would cost today - then figure what the American worker would demand.

Granted, a foreign worker may get less - but the manufacturer will be wanting what it'd cost for the weapon to be 'Made in America' - and that'll sound the death knell.

Better to find an original that'll rise in value, than a clone that has zero 'history' to its name.

Clones - once fired - are just 'used' guns, while well-kept originals are 'collectable', and will likely sell for more than what was originally paid, as available guns recede from the market as they sometimes do.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Books OToole]

My other wish-list firearm is the S&W Model 3...yes, I know these have been made.....but I want mine in .44 Russian !


Regards,
Slim

Amen!

Books

[Will Ketchum]

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Better to find an original that'll rise in value, than a clone that has zero 'history' to its name.

Clones - once fired - are just 'used' guns, while well-kept originals are 'collectable', and will likely sell for more than what was originally paid, as available guns recede from the market as they sometimes do.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!
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Bob, this is correct and as you know I do shoot orginal S&W NM 3s.  But I would rather shoot them on occasion and let reproductions take the beating.  Also it would be nice to have the option of shooting smokeless.  Something I don't do with my Smiths.

Will Ketchum

[Forty Rod]

My other wish-list firearm is the S&W Model 3...
Regards,
Slim

WHICH Model 3, Slim? 

1st Mod. American
2nd Mod. American
1st Mod. Russian
2nd Mod. Russian
3rd Mod. Russian
New Mod. SA
New Mod. Target SA
New Mod. Turkish
New Mod. Frontier SA
3" to 8" barrels (depending on model)
Blued, nickel, or two-tone (available on some models)
Maybe a dozen calibers, including the one you want (available on some models)

All Model 3 Smiths.  I prefer a 1st Russian, all nickel, 8", in .44 Russian.  At your price range I'd take a pair in a heartbeat.