Problem with marble tang sight

Silver_Rings · July 10, 2009, 09:30:06 PM

I ordered a standard Marble tang sight that is suppose to fit 1886 and 1876, for a Chappy 1876 with 28" barrel. The base mounts fine but there is just barely enough elevation to see the front sight through the barrel mounted original. I'm sure there is no chance of it being usable for 200 yds or more. If I mount it backwards it probably gives me enough elevation for what I want but there is no detent to hold it upright then. Anyone else run into this and how did you fix it?

I know Marble has where you can pick a base, and stem seperate, but don't know which stem would be the one to get. I hate to have to send this one back if there is a fix.

Silver Rings

ndnchf · July 11, 2009, 11:14:42 AM

I don't think there is an easy solution. You could get a lower front sight, but that really isn't the right way to go. While the screw hole spacing are probably the same for a '86 and a '76, I think the tang of the '76 drops down a little more, which would account for your sight being short. You could either return it and get a taller version, or just order a taller stem to use on your base. Sorry, not the answer you wanted to hear

Will Ketchum · July 11, 2009, 01:18:44 PM

I would call Buffalo Arms. They sell the rifles, sights and the stems. They can probably tell you which one to order.

Will Ketchum

Silver_Rings · July 11, 2009, 02:46:57 PM

Howdy Gents,

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll probably return it and order a taller model. I saw on this forum were some one suggested using the base for a 73 and a taller stem. I'll try the sight from my 73 and see if it fits and go from there.

Silver Rings

WaddWatsonEllis · July 11, 2009, 03:03:55 PM

Just a thought ...

Marbles has a folding sight that is meant to replace the standard rear sight at the end of the barrel.

That way, if you were using the tang sight you could just fold down the barrel-mounted site to have it out of the way.

But if you were doing something that required quicker site/target acquisition (hunting Javalina in the thick brush and mesquite of Texas comes to mind), all you would have to do is fold down the tang site and pop up the barrel mounted site. It is what I plan to do when on my .45 Model 94 when I get my Model 73.

But the folding site would leave you a backup site were anything to go wrong with the tang site.

**CAVEAT**: Talk to your local Range Officers and club leaders. On the Marples site, it says that the folding sites came after 1900 ... so, although my ROs are fine with the folding site, it might not be the same everywhere, especially if you are ever planning to shoot NCOWs

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,5433.html

This isn't an attempt to credit Buffalo Arms; it is just a good representation of the sight

Silver_Rings · July 11, 2009, 09:08:58 PM

Howdy WaddWatsonEllis

Thanks for the idea. I'll think about it.

SR

WaddWatsonEllis · July 11, 2009, 09:20:10 PM

SR,

You're very welcome.

I ordered a Taylors & Co Model 73 through Cody Conagher.

Once I get that and the Model 94 becomes a backup, I am going to try the Marbles system on it. The Model 94 already has a medum bead Marbles front site on order. When the '73 gets here, it will get the folding sight, and finally a tang 'Peep' type siight.

Then if I like this system, the '73 will get a set next.

If you decide to go this way, I would enjoy hearing your views on it. You can either put it on here, send me a PM or send me an email....

Rowdy Fulcher · July 11, 2009, 11:34:03 PM

Silver Rings
Smith Enterprises offers a ladder sight for the chappy , they work good better than the CHEAP factory sight .
I have one on my rifle and it works good with the factory front sight . Best of luck .

Joe Lansing · July 12, 2009, 12:39:29 AM

I put a Marbles on my Chappy and I turned my base around. I had to reverse the post. It works just fine, but the windage knob is on the left side....which is OK for me since I am a south paw. My elevation is quite sufficient.

J.L.

WaddWatsonEllis · July 12, 2009, 08:58:06 AM

We are blesseed in this area with a gun shop that kinda specialises in SASS. I took my Model 94 in, and they removed the front site. Then they took a micrometer to it, and measured the stock sight from the bottom of the tang to the top of the sight. They then ordered the new Marbles for me and gave me a Remington Marbles that fits and works fine, but has a little sunlight between the the bottom of the sight and the barrel. They boresighted the front sight and it has proved to be spot on.

I may be paying about $10 or $15 more to have it done by their gunsmith, but when you figure in the cost of sending it back and waiting for a new one, I figure it is a wash.

Incidentally, I have been told that many of the reproduction guns use a different size front sight than the original did. That they have to be miked to make sure that the height of the new sight is the same as the one that came with the gun.....

Best of luck with this .... but before I ordered anything, I would beg/borrow/steal a micrometer and find out the height of the original sight ... then order one of the same height, regardless of what came on the original Model 76...

Best of luck ...

Silver_Rings · July 12, 2009, 08:39:47 PM

Howdy WaddWatsonEllis,

I've been shooting a win 73 with the Marble tang sight for 7 years now. I removed the buckhorn sight because it interfered with the sight picture through the tang sight. I use it as my main match rifle for SASS without and disk, so that it is like a ghost ring.

I am very happy with it.

SR

Silver_Rings · July 12, 2009, 08:43:10 PM

Howdy Joe Lansing,

How did you turn the post around?

Silver Rings

Joe Lansing · July 13, 2009, 10:53:59 AM

You must take the windage knob apart and wind out the windage screw from the post. Reverse the post, rewind and complete assembly.
NOTE: There is a very small allen screw on the windage knob that must be removed to disassemble. I did this quite a while back and can't remember all the details, but watch what your doing and you should be just fine. Do your work on a spread out terry cloth towel, preferably a white one, and you won't have any small pieces rolling away. Good luck!

J.L.

Silver_Rings · July 13, 2009, 02:40:15 PM

Howdy Joe,

Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try.

SR

WaddWatsonEllis · July 15, 2009, 01:29:25 AM

Hi again,

Whatever I end up getting, I am going to take the rifle to my local gunsmith ... that way I pay a bit more, but they listen to what I want, take responsibility for gettomg it done, they boresight it, and it comes back to me with a guarantee.

Here in California, the cheapest CA FFL fee I can find is $60.00. I figure for $60.00, I can buy a passel full of gunsmithing.... *S*

Silver_Rings · July 17, 2009, 08:54:25 PM

Howdy pards,

I managed to get the stem turned around with Joe Lansing's directions, only had to chase the little ball bearings around twice. Went to the range this past Wednesday. With the sight at max elevation I was 16" low at 100 yrds. Also found that the front sight blade was loose and would move back and forth. I managed to tighten it up. The groups were not good.

I'm going to exchange the Marlble sight for the improved 1873 base and a mid-range stem. I'm also replacing the front sight with a Marble front that is .410 high, .53 wide and fix 3/8" dove tail. I hope to have better luck with this combo.

Joe Lansing, thanks for the help. It was worth a try, just didn't work out.

It will be about a month before I give it another try. I'll keep you posted.

Silver Rings

Hell-Er High Water · July 17, 2009, 10:50:21 PM

Have you tried using a Lyman tang sight made for the Model 1886? The mounting holes for the Chaparral M'76 and the Original Winchester M'86 have the same spacing and threads.

I have two chaparral M'76's. A short rifle in 50-95 and an NWMP carbine in 45-75 and have the Lyman sights on both. They bolt right in place with the existing front mounting hole and the tang screw. Screws for both are furnished with the sight.

I grant you that there is no windage adjustment with the Lyman sight but once you shim it properly there should be no further windage adjustments necessary.

You might give this a try if all else fails.

HHW

the missing link · July 18, 2009, 03:13:41 AM

On my Chappy-76 i am using a Marbels tang sight intended for Marlin -95. it has the right height,and kan be mounted just beheind the hammer, so that there are room for your thomb, but you have to drill an extra skrew hole.

The Missing Link

john boy · July 18, 2009, 02:08:18 PM

SR, you would be better off and with less issues ... to buy a 3" vernier

WaddWatsonEllis · July 18, 2009, 05:04:57 PM

Hi,

Taylors & Co Firarms has a 'Sharps style' ladder adjustable tang site calibrated to fit on a Winchester.

I don't know if SASS or NCOWS allows an adjustable ladder sitght on a Winchester, tut it might take care of most of your problems

Here is the website (look for part D02):

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/products/detail-accessories.tpl?subcategory=Sights&startat=11